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marc9000
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Message 496 of 2726 (800561)
02-25-2017 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by NoNukes
02-24-2017 2:01 AM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
If Trump does nothing, won't it be the folks who elected him who are complaining?

Well yes. But he IS doing something, and there's no evidence that his voters are complaining.

With respect to Obama care, if there is indeed a catch 22, Trump and the Republicans basically put themselves in position to take a fall for what happens when if they don't replace it with something functional by making promises in the run up to the election. Trump seems to have figured this out before his colleagues in the House and Senate did. However what Trump has elected to do is try to make sure the ACA fails by pricking holes in it.

It failed long before he was elected, it's a significant reason he was elected.

marc9000 writes:

the claims that parts of the U.S. constitution applies to the entire world is probably something many foreign leaders and citizens aren't too crazy about.

My question to you is why should anyone discuss any topic with someone who repeatedly distorts.

I haven't had a chance to get to that other thread yet but I intend to, maybe tonight or the next evening or two. I haven't even checked that one lately to see what kind of a wreck it has become.

What folks are instead claiming is explicitly stated in the 14th amendment which is that there are due process rights applicable to all any person within its jurisdiction.

That one begs for a response. (other thread)

marc9000 writes:

Today - recently, I'm noticing headlines that can give a completely false impression if read by themselves, without getting slightly, or largely conflicting information later in the story.

Yes that does happen. Perhaps not blowing up until you read the article would be a good way to proceed.

But as you can see in my above response to dwise1, sometimes reading the whole article doesn't make the dishonesty go away.


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Message 497 of 2726 (800566)
02-26-2017 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by marc9000
02-25-2017 9:57 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
marc writes:

These two examples are similar to the games that are played by the news media against Trump.

You mean in that they all involve a car crash?


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Message 498 of 2726 (800567)
02-26-2017 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by marc9000
02-25-2017 10:09 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
It failed long before he was elected, it's a significant reason he was elected.

It failed with some help from the right in crippling the initiative.

And even with that, it seems that most people currently do not want the ACA removed without a replacement. However, both of those observations and questions completely miss the point. If what Trump and his party come up with is "not as good as" that should be reported.

NoNukes writes:

My question to you is why should anyone discuss any topic with someone who repeatedly distorts.

mar9000 writes:

I haven't had a chance to get to that other thread yet but I intend to, maybe tonight or the next evening or two. I haven't even checked that one lately to see what kind of a wreck it has become

That's your excuse for lying?

But as you can see in my above response to dwise1, sometimes reading the whole article doesn't make the dishonesty go away.

Are you ever going to provide any meaningful Trump examples? I saw your examples about the "truck driver" who was actually a "pickup truck driver" and the other example where you decided that you did not like the photo. Both issues were easily cleared up by reading the article. Just what did you think was being conveyed when you thought the truck driver was an 18 wheeler operator? What difference would that make?

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Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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dwise1
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Message 499 of 2726 (800569)
02-26-2017 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by marc9000
02-25-2017 10:09 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
Three times or even more I've tried to properly quote marc9000. Even I have no explanation why that had been rendered impossible. Shall we try yet again?

But as you can see in my above response to dwise1, sometimes reading the whole article doesn't make the dishonesty go away.

Well, here are those "above responses to dwise1" Message 494.

I'm sorry. I wanted to itemize those "above responses to DWise1". But they all turn out to be so pathetically idiotically wrong that it absolutely boggles the mind that any sentient being could ever possibly have considered it.

Edited by Admin, : Fix message link.


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Message 500 of 2726 (800591)
02-26-2017 9:31 AM


Trump Rescinds Transgender Student Bathroom Rights
This happened earlier in the week, but it should be mentioned. On Wednesday Trump rescinded the Obama rules giving transgender students the right to choose their own bathrooms. It left in place protections against bullying and so forth.

I don't understand objections to the rule. Now, depending upon the state, students who look like men will be using the women's bathroom, and students who look like women will be using the men's bathroom. How does that make any sense? I know how I'd react to a woman in the men's bathroom - I'd feel very uncomfortable. Isn't that how most people feel? I'd probably leave and look for another bathroom.

Here's the New York Times article: Trump Rescinds Rules on Bathrooms for Transgender Students

--Percy


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Message 501 of 2726 (800593)
02-26-2017 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by Percy
02-26-2017 9:31 AM


Re: Trump Rescinds Transgender Student Bathroom Rights
But it makes me feel so much safer.

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Message 502 of 2726 (800595)
02-26-2017 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by ProtoTypical
01-04-2017 8:02 PM


Upcoming State Of The Union speech
I just read another article by the same professor who wrote The Mind Of Donald Trump written in The Atlantic magazine.

I took psychology in college and have always been interested in it. Both of these articles, in my opinion, describe Donald Trump and his inner workings quite well.

The next four years will be a classic textbook example of the power of a president backed by a populist mandate (one-half of 30% of all voters) supported by a conservative Senate and House. This week, Trump addresses congress in a State Of The Union address and it will prove interesting. What will the opinion of the congressional leaders be (as a consensus)? By now they see Trumps public persona...but will he be able to unite them through this speech or will everyone simply see more of Il Ego strutting on stage?


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Message 503 of 2726 (800597)
02-26-2017 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by Percy
02-26-2017 9:31 AM


Intersexuals and the Toilet Police
Wonder what the Toilet Police do about XXY and XYY etc people.

quote:
Intersex

An intersex human or other animal is one possessing any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".[1][2] Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.[3][4]

Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, "congenital eunuchs",[5][6] or even congenitally "frigid".[7] Such terms have fallen out of favor; in particular, the phrase "hermaphrodite" is considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious.[8] Medical description of intersex traits as disorders of sex development has been controversial[9][10][11] since the label was introduced in 2006.[12]

Some intersex infants and children, such as those with ambiguous outer genitalia, are surgically or hormonally altered to create more socially acceptable sex characteristics. However, this is considered controversial, with no firm evidence of good outcomes.[13] Such treatments may involve sterilization. Adults, including elite female athletes, have also been subjects of such treatment.[14][15] Increasingly these issues are considered human rights abuses, with statements from international[16][17] and national human rights and ethics institutions.[18][19] Intersex organizations have also issued statements, including the Malta declaration of the third International Intersex Forum.[20]

In 2011, Christiane Völling became the first intersex person known to have successfully sued for damages in a case brought for non-consensual surgical intervention.[21] In April 2015, Malta became the first country to outlaw non-consensual medical interventions to modify sex anatomy, including that of intersex people.[22][23]

Some intersex persons may be assigned and raised as a girl or boy but then identify with another gender later in life, while most continue to identify with their assigned gender.[4][2][24][25][26]


Is an XXY person male or female? Who chooses and when?

Is an XYY person male or female? Who chooses and when?

Should not they get to choose their identity?

What about people who develop as female but have male genes because their hormones didn't switch on the male gene development (female is the default)?

quote:
Supermodel Hanne Gaby Odielle Reveals Life As An Intersexual

Belgian supermodel and Alexander Wang muse, Hanne Gaby Odiele, has revealed that she is intersex, saying, “I was born intersex. This means, my body isn’t clearly male or female.”

She continued, “At this point of day and age, it should be perfectly alright to talk about this.” Intersex is a catchall term that describes a range of conditions in which an individual is born with reproductive anatomy that falls outside the typical definitions of male or female. This syndrome can be found in almost 2% of the US population, similar to the population that is born with red hair. Still, most people don’t know of their existence.

Odiele was born with the intersex trait AIS, or Androgyn Insensitivity Syndrome, where a woman is born with the typically male XY chromosomes. She was also born with internal, undescended testicles, which she had to surgically remove at the age of 10 because doctors told her parents that without the surgery, she might develop cancer and would not be able to develop as a normal, female girl.

The surgery was an incredibly traumatic and painful process for Odiele, in part because she was too young to process it. “I knew at one point after the surgery I could not have kids, I was not having my period. I knew something was wrong with me.”


So do the the Toilet Police put her in male bathrooms because of her genes?

By what perverted morality would they do that? Inquiring minds want to know.

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jar
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Message 504 of 2726 (800600)
02-26-2017 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by Phat
02-26-2017 10:13 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
A big question will be whether or not there will be a vocal body of Republican Congressmen willing to point out both absolute falsehoods, misrepresentations and attempt to palm the pea that seem to be the norm for il Donald presentations.

If there is to be any hope of a successful Trump Administration it must come from the Republican Congress and the Courts doing extreme vetting of il Donald'd actions and words. The Republican Congress and the Courts have a duty to oversee and critically examine all facets of the Trump Administration.

Responsibility for damages done under a Trump Administration falls squarely on the Courts and US Republican Congress.


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jar
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Message 505 of 2726 (800601)
02-26-2017 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 503 by RAZD
02-26-2017 10:37 AM


Re: Intersexuals and the Toilet Police
She is more than welcome to use my bathroom or kitchen or living room or bedroom or ...

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Phat
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Message 506 of 2726 (800602)
02-26-2017 10:55 AM
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02-26-2017 10:46 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
jar writes:

Responsibility for damages done under a Trump Administration falls squarely on the Courts and US Republican Congress.

Yes, but in a way I believe we all are responsible.

I read an article this morning in The Denver Post commenting on the upcoming speech:

quote:
Michael Waldman, chief speechwriter for President Bill Clinton, said Trump can easily “blow up a speech” with just a few deviations from the text on his teleprompter.

Waldman said that pointed opposition from Democrats could throw Trump off his game, as well.

“How will he respond when several hundred Democratic members of Congress are not giving him the love he’s hoping for from the audience?” Waldman asks. “There’s never been anybody who’s stood there before, who’s responded to audiences with as much extemporaneous venom.”

Kall says heckling from Democrats or others in the chamber could be just the thing that energizes Trump and gives his speech extra zing.


Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 507 of 2726 (800604)
02-26-2017 10:59 AM
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02-26-2017 10:55 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
Phat writes:

Yes, but in a way I believe we all are responsible.

But only the Republican Congress and the Courts have the ability of extreme vetting when it comes to the Trump Administration.

"We" can speak (at least so far) but have little power beyond demonstrations.


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Phat
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Message 508 of 2726 (800606)
02-26-2017 11:05 AM
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02-26-2017 10:59 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
OK, you have a point. This is the one opportunity that today's Republican Party has been waiting for: A mandate. They have the opportunity to change the course of US History towards their liking. If they fail, I believe that the republican party will no longer exist in its present form. Not only that, there is a scary yet real possibility that none of us will continue to exist---Trump could well be the reason that unifies the rest of the world against the United States!

I realize I am being entirely hypothetical, but I fear that an authoritarian leader backed by generals and a bunch of redneck populists provides an attractive target for any attacks against the imperialism of America. And spending a trillion dollars to upgrade our military won't protect us.

Ever read about David and Goliath? WE are Goliath.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 509 of 2726 (800607)
02-26-2017 11:24 AM
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02-26-2017 10:55 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
Wonder what he will be like with a room half full of hostile people, some of the rest being luke warm, and few cheerleaders? Will he bring his own audience of phsychophants (yes that's intentional) or try to load the gallery with them?

Will there be Russian flags?

Trump supporters blatantly waving Russian flags at CPAC. Pathetic.

Edited by RAZD, : flags


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Message 510 of 2726 (800608)
02-26-2017 11:32 AM
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02-26-2017 11:24 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
So far we have been very fortunate he had not found his Helene Bertha Amalie "Leni" Riefenstahl .

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