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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You won't watch "videos of hate." Meaning you label a video as hate that presents an opinion contrary to your own, and then you don't have to watch it.
I do have to admit many of the videos I posted show quite a bit of hate on the part of migrants, burning cars for instance; and they discuss rapes by the migrants too. Here's a Google page about wealthy Swedes giving up their houses to refugees: Turns out it's not too bad, just their country houses. Property doesn't count of course in a socialist state.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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There's been a lot of disagreement about the videos, but though I'm not moderating this thread it's worth noting that there's little clarity about what the evidence in the videos is. Videos are like links and excerpts and shouldn't appear by themselves. They should be accompanied by arguments and evidence in one's own words. For videos longer than maybe a half minute or so, times for the relevant information should be provided.
--Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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See Percy's comment below. Videos are no better than a bare link. Present the source material or retract.
Well you google search produced no legitimate news source. But even they do not support what you claim. From the Sunday Express
quote:Why are you so against capitalism? What are you a damn commie? Oh and it seems the people are all for it.
quote:Why can't you do your own research? Instead you let people lie to you and support them to the bitter end. Wealthy Swedes asked to re-house asylum-seekers in holiday homes | World | News | Express.co.uk Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Here's a Google page about wealthy Swedes giving up their houses to refugees: Turns out it's not too bad, just their country houses. Property doesn't count of course in a socialist state. That is a Google Search, not evidence of anything except that the Fake News Propaganda mills called Conservative press published lots of copies of the allegations. No news there Faith. We know they make such claims. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin ther ----> there
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Oh yeah you do realize that that is just a google search page and not evidence of anything don't you?
I guess you think Unicorns are real too. Here is a google page supporting it.
Google Edited by Theodoric, : Missed thinkFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Faith, as others have pointed out a list of links is not good evidence. If you actually bothered to read the links you would see that even Breitbart doesn't say that anyone is being forced to give up their homes. It's just people being asked to consider renting out second homes that would otherwise be unoccupied. What a terrible Socialist tyranny ! Let's guess. You got the idea from Infowars or an equally "reliable" video on YouTube, right ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I said where I got it, I mentioned the video where it was stated.
The google page is full of references, it ought to be sufficient for evidence. Yes they aren't having to just give them away, I'm glad of that, but at the same time I think people being asked to give up their property to foreigners shows a deterioration of democracy and civilization.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I don't remember you stating where the video came from. Anyway, I hope that persuades you not to trust any old video.
quote: They aren't being asked to give up anything. Didn't you notice that it was about renting properties out, not about selling them ? And I have to ask why you really think it is wrong to ask people with vacant properties to consider letting them when there is a housing shortage. Surely such a minimal measure is entirely civilised and entirely compatible with democracy.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Faith responds to me:
quote: Huh? Who are these people? Names, Faith. If you're going to accuse people here to their face, have the common decency to name them. I get the feeling that you are confusing a stance that doesn't shout out that we should execute "illegal immigrants" on site and then "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" (a la Coulter) is some sort of statement saying that there are no such things as borders. You've already demonstrated that you engage in black-or-white, all-or-nothing thinking. This is likely another instance. Unable to consider the possibility that Obama has actually deported more people than any other president and that we have a net *negative* immigration from Mexico (yes...more Mexicans left the country than entered), you have bought the lie put to you by Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront that there is some sort of "crisis" regarding immigrants in the US. Be careful, Faith: Your racism is showing.
quote: Why not? There have been zero incidents of terrorism from any refugee we've taken in since 2000. More terrorism happens in the US at the hands of conservative, white, Christian males than from Muslim refugees. So why do you think the Muslims are the problem? Shouldn't we be stopping the conservatives? They're the ones most likely to engage in terrorism. But then again, Muslims are more accepting of gay people, more accepting of women, more accepting of abortion, more concerned about the environment, more concerned about the plight of the poor, more likely to support immigration to the US...just more likely to be liberal than Protestants, no wonder you're so upset. And before you start confusing the United States, for Saudi Arabia, let me remind you: Muslims who come to the US understand what they're getting into. They are leaving their home countries and coming to the US for precisely the reason that the way of life here is different from their home countries. It's why the crime rate for immigrants is half that of native-born citizens and why there hasn't been a single act of terrorism from any refugee we've taken in this century. They are fleeing the oppression of their home countries and you want to punish them for it.
quote: In order for you to misplace your compassion, Faith, you need to demonstrate you have some and so far, you have only shown yourself to be cold and heartless, the exact opposite of the kind of person Jesus Christ told you to be. But then again, you aren't actually a Christian. You're a Pauline.
quote: Considering that you are the most politically correct person here, why don't you explain that to us.
quote: If you don't like being called out as a racist, then perhaps you should stop acting like one. Your right to free speech does not come with a right to be free from consequences of your speech or to be free from criticism and comment regarding your speech. And if you feel "intimidated"...or should I say, "scared"...about being considered a bigot because of your speech, then perhaps you should think about what you're going to say, where you're going to say, and to whom you are going to say before actually saying it. After all, if you truly believe it, if you think it is accurate, and if you think it needs to be acknowledged, then you shouldn't feel any shame for saying it. Are you a "snowflake" in need of a "safe space" lest you be "triggered" by being called a racist, Faith? If you don't like being called out as a racist, then perhaps you should stop acting like one.
quote: On the contrary, he's the most frightened child of all. Unable to simply ignore it, he displays his severe shame by tweeting the most infantile of whines regarding it.
quote: No, he didn't. Stefan Lfven said no such thing. Once again, you were lied to, Faith.
quote: No, that's not an answer. That's simply a bunch of racist blather. What benefit is there to lying about your crime statistics...especially when they are making crime seem worse? Remember, Faith, the Swedish method of reporting rape makes it look like Stockholm is the rape capital of Europe. So if they're going to be falsifying the crime rates, shouldn't they be doing it to make it look better? So which is it, Faith? Are they lying about their crime rates and things are better than they are actually reporting them to be? Or is it possible that your faith in Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront is misplaced? Remember, Faith: Your own source is calling you a liar. And your other source has actually been found out to be a fraud, Faith. O'Reilly's guest, "Nils Bildt," is a fraud. How many times do you need to be burned before you consider the possibility that your sources are lying to you, Faith?
quote: So they're lying about people lying about them? Of course...I keep forgetting...the Grand Conspiracy to Suppress the Truth (C). So if I were to say that you admitted to me privately that you're thinking of some horrible crime and that your subsequent denials were you being bullied into your denial, that would be sufficient for the rest of us to think that you are, indeed, plotting some horrible crime? After all, Faith, you are the most politically correct of us all.
quote: Except the crime rates in Sweden haven't budged since 2005 despite the tremendous uptick in immigration to Sweden such that 15% of the population is foreign born. Your source is calling you a liar, Faith. They've been caught putting forward frauds as if they were real people. Why do you persist in using them?
quote: That's because it is. There is no such "high crime" area. If you feel otherwise, it is your burden of proof. A video of some nobody is not evidence. You need to start naming names, Faith. You need to start citing your sources. Which specific town is this "high crime" area? What are the specific crimes that have supposedly seen an increase in crime? Over what period? So far, everything you have put forward has been demonstrated to be a lie.
quote: But that wasn't the question they were asked. They are calling you a liar, Faith.
quote: How did you threaten them, Faith? I don't want to tell the others what you told me. You need to say it out loud here. You said you threatened them and thus, they changed their tune. What? I'm lying? You said no such thing? Then someone got to you. That's how pervasive the Grand Conspiracy to Suppress the Truth (C) is.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not sure but whatever he is he actually said it would be just fine if the refugees took over Sweden No, he didn't. Stefan Lfven said no such thing. Once again, you were lied to, Faith. I don't know his name but I saw the man on the video actually saying it.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith responds to me:
quote: No, you didn't. Hint: I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about, but this is your burden of proof. Pretty much everything you have said regarding this is incorrect (wrong person, wrong quote, etc.) so, like Trump and his claim that he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks, I'm calling you out. You didn't actually see what you claim to have seen. Oh, I don't deny that you saw something. But what you saw and what actually happened are not the same thing. Note, when I do a search for the specific quote given by the person (whose name I'm not going to tell you because that's your burden), I see a bunch of links to white supremacist sites like White Genocide Project and Stormfront. Now, I have some video, but it's in Swedish and I know you don't actually speak Swedish so you clearly didn't actually see the original video but instead got this claim from such a website. And they lied to you. Your racism is showing, Faith.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Message 348 video about 1:20. EX-prime minister and you are right the narrator translated his Swedish so I didn't actually hear him say it. The usual nitpick that makes no real difference, just allows you to bully me.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith responds to me:
quote: That's because he didn't say it.
quote: You mean you lying about absolutely everything "makes no real difference"? How is it "bullying" you to point out that what you were told he said and what he actually said are not the same thing? I have the original video. I know precisely what it is that he said. You were lied to, Faith. You didn't answer my question: If Reagan talked about youth being "the future of this country," would that be an indication that he thought everybody over the age of 21 should be put to death a la Logan's Run? You probably don't understand why I'm asking this question, do you?Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The narrator translated the written version of what the man said. You can't possibly know anything different.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Yes they aren't having to just give them away, I'm glad of that, but at the same time I think people being asked to give up their property to foreigners shows a deterioration of democracy and civilization. Thank you Faith. Jesus said we should shelter the homeless. No mention of whether we should first check and make sure they were not foreigners. Have you ever read Luke 4 Faith?
quote: Foreigners are our neighbors.
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