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Author Topic:   Questions based on a plain and simple reading of the US Constitution
Faith 
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Message 61 of 169 (800681)
02-26-2017 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
02-26-2017 8:15 PM


Re: Immigrants make America better
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?: Can't you think at all?
We are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. JAR said they are good for Ameirca. I said the Hispanic gangs are not. It would be HISPANIC gangs who are illegals, right? There are of course lots of other kinds of gangs, so to call them Hispanic differentiates them as belonging to the class of illegals And yes I suppose there are also legal Hispanics who form gangs too, but the CONTEXT WAS ILLEGALS. WHAT IS THE MASTTER WITH YOU EVIL NASTY HATEFUL LEFTISTS THAT YOU HAVE TO CALL EVERYONE A RACIST YOU DISAGREE WITH?
WHY DON'T YOU FOLLOW THE ARGUMENT, KEEP TRACK OF THE CONTEXT. Obviously because the Left THRIVES oin political correctness and labeling people with the nastiest epithets in the PC arsenal. The hate is all coming from you.
Yuck you are disgusting
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Message 62 of 169 (800682)
02-26-2017 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
02-26-2017 7:41 PM


Black Lives Matter
such criminal gangs as Black Lives Matter


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Theodoric
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Message 63 of 169 (800683)
02-26-2017 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by NoNukes
02-26-2017 5:24 PM


The utter inanity of this remark form marc9000 is stunning
"Just as much"? Many conservative constitutional scholars consider all the amendments from number 11 on to be not quite as much as the first 10. Those, distorted by activist courts in later years, are how revisionist history gets written.
If this were true the whole political process we have to day would be illegitimate.
Article 5 clearly states a process for amending the Constitution
quote:
The Congress, whenever twothirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of twothirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of threefourths of the several States, or by Conventions in threefourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
That the first 10 are ok but rest are not is just ridiculous and actually a treasonous assertion.
Lets look at some of these amendments him and his "conservative scholars"(Be interesting if he actual provides any, could be a laugh) think are not legitimate. Our whole political process would be illegitimate.
Hillary Clinton would be Vice President. None of the Elections since 1804 would be legitimate. This was a very good amendment.
Slavery. Enough said.
No voting for black people or women. Really?
No income tax. So there would be almost zero funding for the government, state or federal. That means no military, not border security at all. The old ways of funding, tariffs primarily, were no longer feasible by the 20th century.
The people would not have a direct vote on Senators. Lets think of all the reasons that is bad.
Obama could have run for a third term. Probably would have won.
Poll taxes. Enough said.
This is not all of them but most. The stupidity of the comment stands on its own. Love to read what his "scholars" have to say.
Here is the Constitution in all its glory and beauty. I try to read it at least once a year. Everyone that is a US citizen should read it and ponder its meanings.
The Constitution of the United States

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Faith 
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Message 64 of 169 (800684)
02-26-2017 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Modulous
02-26-2017 8:31 PM


Re: Black Lives Matter
BLM is racist thugs.

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Modulous
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Message 65 of 169 (800685)
02-26-2017 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
02-26-2017 8:35 PM


Re: Black Lives Matter
BLM is racist thugs.

I'd ask for evidence, but I know it's futile. In any case start a new thread if you want the opportunity to discuss this brand of nonsense.

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jar
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Message 66 of 169 (800686)
02-26-2017 8:47 PM
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02-26-2017 8:35 PM


Racist Thugs in Action
Faith writes:
BLM is racist thugs.

Black Lives Matter protest against St. Paul police brutality (21587635011) [CC BY 2.0 (Creative Commons — Attribution 2.0 Generic — CC BY 2.0 )], by Fibonacci Blue from Minnesota, USA, from Wikimedia Commons
Yup, Racist Thugs caught in the act.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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Theodoric
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Message 67 of 169 (800687)
02-26-2017 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
02-26-2017 8:30 PM


Re: Immigrants make America better
It would be HISPANIC gangs who are illegals, right?
No it wouldn't. Most hispanic gangs are not made up of undocumented immigrants. Gangs prey on the undocumented. Why do you think a Hispanic gang would be undocumented immigrants, but white gangs are ok?
The vast majority of Hispanics are not immigrants at all. Many have been here for as many generations as most white families. As a matter of fact most were here before the places they live in were even part of the USA. There have been Hispanic families in the southwest and Florida for 450 years. Much longer than any white family has been here.
Faith I call you a racist because you are. You equate illegal with Hispanic, that is racist.
I know your context and I call out your racist remarks.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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NoNukes
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Message 68 of 169 (800690)
02-26-2017 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Theodoric
02-26-2017 8:34 PM


That the first 10 are ok but rest are not is just ridiculous and actually a treasonous assertion.
At least that is more honest that pretending that the rest of the constitution does not exist. Yet even if we spot marc9000 the amendments after the 11th, here is some text from the fifth amendment:
quote:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Again, no person... Not just citizens.
Historically, the reason similar language exists in the 14th amendment is because the Supreme Court held in the "Dred Scott" case that the then current bill of rights excluded "darkies" from having any rights that a white man was bound to respect regardless of their place of birth or their status as slaves or free men.
Of course now, with all of the PC crap that's gone on in the last 150 years we even let women and Hispanics vote. We even let those Japanese Americans out of the internment camps.
Okay, sarcasm aside, I am not the least bit surprised that folks don't accept that folks not legally within the US have rights.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Faith 
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Message 69 of 169 (800695)
02-27-2017 2:35 AM
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02-26-2017 8:49 PM


Re: Immigrants make America better
There are illegal alien gangs or gang members.
Who said white gangs are OK? The usual utterly demented inability to follow the argument in context just to have an excuse to call me names.
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Faith 
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Message 70 of 169 (800697)
02-27-2017 2:46 AM
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02-26-2017 8:49 PM


Re: Immigrants make America better
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Faith 
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Message 71 of 169 (800698)
02-27-2017 2:47 AM
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02-26-2017 8:47 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Everybody screams about my inadequate evidence, a google page for instance, but you get away with a lying photograph?
Where are the photos of them killing cops?

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Pressie
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Message 72 of 169 (800711)
02-27-2017 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-27-2017 2:47 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Faith writes:
... a lying photograph?
What the heck is a lying photograph? A staged photograph, maybe? I mean, I was was photographed as a really mean Cowboy in some shop in Durango, Colorado, in 1996... My specs even showed through the cowboy attire.
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Faith 
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Message 73 of 169 (800712)
02-27-2017 5:54 AM
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02-27-2017 5:44 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
A lying photograph is a picture selected of an irrelevant moment, such as a moment when a violent protest is taking a nap after killing cops, while of course the cop killing moments are not photographed. Words can lie in the same way by forcing attention upon a tangential point to distract from the main point. It's done a lot around here.

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Pressie
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Message 74 of 169 (800715)
02-27-2017 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Faith
02-27-2017 5:54 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Faith writes:
A lying photograph is a picture selected of an irrelevant moment, such as a moment when a violent protest is taking a nap after killing cops, while of course the cop killing moments are not photographed. Words can lie in the same way by forcing attention upon a tangential point to distract from the main point. It's done a lot around here.
Oh, I don't know. Videos and photographs of what cops do are constantly taken. Every time they do anything . Hundreds of millions of photo's and videos all over the US. Every day!
Cops in the US tend to be exceptionally professional. This comes from a foreigner!
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Faith 
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Message 75 of 169 (800716)
02-27-2017 6:38 AM
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02-27-2017 6:07 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Clearly you don't know it but you just did what I was describing. I suppose there may be photographs of cops being killed by the BLM, but jar didn't post them, did he? That's his lie. I won't accuse you of lying but by focusing on the tangential fact that there are lots of photographs of cops you obscure the main point as much as he did.
And let me guess. Your next post or somebody else's, will also major on a minor nitpick.
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