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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
There have been been cases where wealthy families have had to give up their homes for refugees Anecdotes and assertions are not evidence. Show us a news report or official reference to this happening. A name of the people that this actually happened to, I know a guy that has a cousin that knows a guy is not evidence. A YouTube rant is worthless and probably a lie.If it wasn't a lie they would have referred to the actual people it happened to. Nobody was forced to do anything. Nobody was even asked to leave their primary residence. Compensation was part of the deal.
Wealthy Swedes asked to re-house asylum-seekers in their holiday cottages: quote: {ABE} Of course I see others have posted the same link. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Oh but many of them do refer to sources.
I haven't seen any in the videos you posted, and it appears you refuse to Videos can do that too.
Videos can do that too.
Yes, they can. The ones you posted did not. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Here's a Google page about wealthy Swedes giving up their houses to refugees: Turns out it's not too bad, just their country houses. Property doesn't count of course in a socialist state.
And they get rent. Because property matters in Sweden. So, nobody forced to do anything. Nobody moved out of their primary residence. Nobody asked to allow refugees to live in their property for free. IOW everything your video claimed was false. EVERYTHING. There's a lesson to be learned there.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That is a Google Search, not evidence of anything except that the Fake News Propaganda mills called Conservative press published lots of copies of the allegations.
Er, that's a Google search that leads to a newspaper article that thoroughly rebuts Faith's and her video's claims. You overreacted and make a mistake. No news there Faith. We know they make such claims. It's not a conservative propaganda mill, as her videos are.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I think people being asked to give up their property to foreigners shows a deterioration of democracy and civilization. You mean "asked to rent their currently unused property to foreigners". IOW everything you gleaned from that video is false.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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One of the links was as you described but almost all the other links were to Conservative Fascist Propaganda sites repeating the misinformation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
And I have to ask why you really think it is wrong to ask people with vacant properties to consider letting them when there is a housing shortage. Surely such a minimal measure is entirely civilised and entirely compatible with democracy.
All I can figure is Faith is a commie. She doesn't think people should be renting out their properties. The whole thing goes to show how far the radical right will and needs to go in order to come up with anything to justify their position. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Yes they aren't having to just give them away, I'm glad of that, but at the same time I think people being asked to give up their property to foreigners shows a deterioration of democracy and civilization There is a world of difference between being asked to do something and being forced to do something. There is a world of difference between giving and renting. Homeowners forced to give up their homes! Is FAKE NEWS. Its propaganda. Homeowners asked if they would be prepared to rent out any uninhabited residential properties they own in order to help other people during a shortage. Is real news. "Sweden's leader -- is he a Prime Minister? Not sure but whatever he is he actually said it would be just fine if the refugees took over Sweden, if they became Sweden." This fake news. It's propaganda. Even the video you got this quote from doesn't print his words to say that. The quote has him saying Sweden is stronger for having immigrants make it what it is.
The narrator translated the written version of what the man said. You can't possibly know anything different. Why would you trust an atheist Muslim immigrant's version of events, Faith? Here are his actual words: And now with nuance:
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith responds to me:
quote: Faith, just because *you* don't know Swedish doesn't mean nobody else does. The finer point is that I have the entire statement made by...do you even know his name? Do you know who you're talking about? He didn't say what is claimed. You still haven't answered my question. Third time: If Ronald Reagan said that the country belongs to the young, would you interpret that to mean Reagan was saying everybody over the age of 21 should be killed a la Logan's Run? That is not a rhetorical question, Faith. I really want to know your answer to it.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The narrator translated the written version of what the man said. You can't possibly know anything different. Faith, just because *you* don't know Swedish doesn't mean nobody else does. I don't see any reason to trust you over the Swedish-speaking narrator of that video, who was translating a written text of a speech given by the ex-prime minister. Perhaps you have a different speech in mind.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Let me see if I can put it in a more readable format (table) for you:
Not an exact match but you should get the idea. Everything outside the center column is increasingly "fake" news (more likely to be biased, cherry picked) Everything below the top row is increasingly "fake" news (less likely to be fact checked) Facts don't have a bias, reports do. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
you missed the Gateway Pundit, Jim Hoft, AKA the stupidest man on the Internet.
The Gateway Pundit - Wikipedia:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I can read that only marginally more easily than the white version but I get the gist of it. I don't know why you'd think a chart like that would mean much to me. Perhaps the basic scheme is accurate enough, but what matters to me is which ones are trustworthy, and the MSM definitely are not, or those on the liberal side of center. Those are the "fake news" from my point of view.. The fake news attack on Trump is understood by his supporters to BE the fake news.
The MSM is the fake news. They are trying to get some of our favorite sources banned of course because they don't believe in free speech unless it's their free speech, so they can continue to twist information about Trump without being bothered by those of us who see through them. Rather than liberal and conservative news sources these days should be categorized as fake news or not, as I've laid out above. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not familiar with Gateway Pundit, but I can assure you that your simply calling its author the stupidest man in the world makes me suspect he must have something important to say. At the very least I would think you should supply an example or two to defend your claim.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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I'm not familiar with Gateway Pundit... You elsewhere linked to the Gateway Pundit yesterday. Just for chuckles, you could try Googling "stupidest man on the internet". There seems to be a broad consensus that Jim Hoft deserves the title. From Jim Hoft: Dumbest Man on the Internet? | Media Matters for America:
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