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Author Topic:   Questions based on a plain and simple reading of the US Constitution
Pressie
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Message 76 of 169 (800723)
02-27-2017 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
02-27-2017 6:38 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Faith writes:
Clearly you don't know it but you just did what I was describing.
Nope. I know what straw man/men you try to erect.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 77 of 169 (800725)
02-27-2017 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-27-2017 2:47 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Faith writes:
Everybody screams about my inadequate evidence, a google page for instance, but you get away with a lying photograph?
Where are the photos of them killing cops?
The photograph is not lying, the people in the photograph (well many of them) are lying on the ground. There are cops in the picture but the Black Live Matter folk killing the cops is in your imagination.
Have there been cops killed? Yes.
As many cops killed as black people killed by cops? Nope.
Is killing cops right? Nope.
Is anger by the black population against cops reasonable? Absolutely.
But a small question Faith?
Do you understand that a plain and simple reading of the US Constitution protects the Rights of the Black Lives Matter supporters to peacefully gather, associate together, protest governmental misconduct and even lie down on the tracks?

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Theodoric
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Message 78 of 169 (800735)
02-27-2017 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
02-27-2017 2:46 AM


Re: Immigrants make America better
You're an idiot.
I guess I win.
Maybe you need to cool off for a few days. Why don't you go on some bible retreat so you can cool down.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 79 of 169 (800736)
02-27-2017 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Faith
02-27-2017 5:54 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Are you now claiming that the peaceful protesters in the picture had killed cops before this? That is beyond the pale even for you. Crawl back in your hole.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 80 of 169 (800745)
02-27-2017 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-27-2017 2:47 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Faith writes:
Where are the photos of them killing cops?
That would be the evidence that YOU need to provide.

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RAZD
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Message 81 of 169 (800761)
02-27-2017 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Theodoric
02-26-2017 8:34 PM


cherry picking is cherry picking
The utter inanity of this remark form marc9000 is stunning
"Just as much"? Many conservative constitutional scholars consider all the amendments from number 11 on to be not quite as much as the first 10. Those, distorted by activist courts in later years, are how revisionist history gets written.
If this were true the whole political process we have to day would be illegitimate.
Article 5 clearly states a process for amending the Constitution
Well I guess that when you spend your days picking and choosing what parts of the bible to use each day, that applying that approach to the constitution would be just more of the same.
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RAZD
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Message 82 of 169 (800762)
02-27-2017 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-27-2017 2:47 AM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Where are the photos of them killing cops?
Try your favorite fake news outlet.
Enjoy

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Faith 
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Message 83 of 169 (800766)
02-27-2017 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by RAZD
02-27-2017 5:36 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
It's a complicated situation. There are outsiders who killed cops in sympathy with BLM, which isn't the BLM's fault, but on the other hand there are elements in BLM calling for violence.
Black Lives Matter Hypocrisy in Cheering Violence | National Review
abe: Black Lives Matter Protesters: "WE NEED TO START KILLING PEOPLE"; Calls For Trump's ASSASSINATION! (VIDEO)
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 84 of 169 (800767)
02-27-2017 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
02-27-2017 8:07 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Therefore we should condemn Donnie for any violence done in support of his policies an rhetoric.
Cool. Glad to see you will condemning racism.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 169 (800769)
02-27-2017 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Theodoric
02-27-2017 8:13 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Non sequitur of course.

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Theodoric
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Message 86 of 169 (800770)
02-27-2017 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
02-27-2017 8:20 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
So you hold BLM to a higher standard than Donnie Trump?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 87 of 169 (800771)
02-27-2017 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Theodoric
02-27-2017 8:24 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Here we go again on the lefty merry-go-round of false accusations?

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Theodoric
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Message 88 of 169 (800772)
02-27-2017 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
02-27-2017 8:34 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
Then why do you hold BLM responsible for all black on white violence or for anyone claims they are speaking for BLM or all violence toward police?
Isn't that a higher standard? If not explain why.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 89 of 169 (800774)
02-27-2017 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Theodoric
02-27-2017 8:54 PM


Re: Racist Thugs in Action
"... hold BLM responsible for ALL black on white violence... or all violence against police?"
I don't suppose you'd care to bring that sweeping accusation down to more realistic proportions?

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Message 90 of 169 (800775)
02-27-2017 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by NoNukes
02-19-2017 11:42 PM


The fourteenth amendment says that these rights apply to all persons and not just to citizens. You can opine on what persons mean if you want, but the federal courts have already given the official answer.
This is a pretty good example of how the original meaning and intent of the framers deteriorates over time. Originally, in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, there were no declared Constitutional rights for illegal immigrants. Then with the end of slavery, the 14th amendment was written to allow Africans who were brought here against their will to have a new start. They were designated as "persons", not "former slaves", to keep any hateful white people of the late 1860's from claiming their children, or wives who weren't officially sold as slaves weren't included in the 14th amendment. Then we have cases like you referenced, Zadvydas v. Davis, which were not crystal clear, open and shut cases. Here's the dissenting opinions, one of them by the hardly conservative Anthony Kennedy;
quote:
Justice Antonin Scalia dissented from the majority. Scalia stated that an alien who has no legal right to be in the United States has no right to release into the country that is trying to expel him or her. Scalia quoted Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissent, in asserting that "Due process does not invest any alien with a right to enter the United States, nor confer on those admitted the right to remain against the national will."[italics in original][2]
Justice Anthony Kennedy also dissented. Kennedy said that the majority disregarded congressional intent and then rewrote the statute. He posited that Congress gave the Attorney General the express authority to order continued detention, and added that the majority misapplied the concept of statutory construction, noting that the court could only distinguish between plausible interpretations. If there were two or more interpretations, then the court is bound to accept the one that does not create a constitutional issue, but Kennedy states that this was never the situation in this case.[citation needed]
Zadvydas v. Davis - Wikipedia
"...disregarded congressional intent and then rewrote the statute." When we take amendments that were written long after the U.S. Constitution was established, bend and shape them a little bit, then add a court case with certain circumstances that can inspire a little sympathy and emotion at that particular time, then throw in a few liberal supreme court justices, suddenly illegal immigrants have society-burdening legal rights that are actually found nowhere in U.S. foundations or tradition, or in the imaginations of U.S. founders.
But you say that's the "official answer", so that's the way it is and Faith and I are WRONG because we can't accept it. Is there a difference between that and the way that you and most everyone here can't accept the official answer of who the voters wanted to be president back in November 2016?

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