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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: Nope. I know what straw man/men you try to erect. Clearly you don't know it but you just did what I was describing. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Everybody screams about my inadequate evidence, a google page for instance, but you get away with a lying photograph? Where are the photos of them killing cops? The photograph is not lying, the people in the photograph (well many of them) are lying on the ground. There are cops in the picture but the Black Live Matter folk killing the cops is in your imagination. Have there been cops killed? Yes. As many cops killed as black people killed by cops? Nope. Is killing cops right? Nope. Is anger by the black population against cops reasonable? Absolutely. But a small question Faith? Do you understand that a plain and simple reading of the US Constitution protects the Rights of the Black Lives Matter supporters to peacefully gather, associate together, protest governmental misconduct and even lie down on the tracks?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You're an idiot.
I guess I win. Maybe you need to cool off for a few days. Why don't you go on some bible retreat so you can cool down. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Are you now claiming that the peaceful protesters in the picture had killed cops before this? That is beyond the pale even for you. Crawl back in your hole.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That would be the evidence that YOU need to provide.
Where are the photos of them killing cops?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The utter inanity of this remark form marc9000 is stunning
"Just as much"? Many conservative constitutional scholars consider all the amendments from number 11 on to be not quite as much as the first 10. Those, distorted by activist courts in later years, are how revisionist history gets written. If this were true the whole political process we have to day would be illegitimate.Article 5 clearly states a process for amending the Constitution Well I guess that when you spend your days picking and choosing what parts of the bible to use each day, that applying that approach to the constitution would be just more of the same. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Where are the photos of them killing cops? Try your favorite fake news outlet. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a complicated situation. There are outsiders who killed cops in sympathy with BLM, which isn't the BLM's fault, but on the other hand there are elements in BLM calling for violence.
Black Lives Matter Hypocrisy in Cheering Violence | National Review abe: Black Lives Matter Protesters: "WE NEED TO START KILLING PEOPLE"; Calls For Trump's ASSASSINATION! (VIDEO) Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Therefore we should condemn Donnie for any violence done in support of his policies an rhetoric.
Cool. Glad to see you will condemning racism.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Non sequitur of course.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So you hold BLM to a higher standard than Donnie Trump?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Here we go again on the lefty merry-go-round of false accusations?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Then why do you hold BLM responsible for all black on white violence or for anyone claims they are speaking for BLM or all violence toward police?
Isn't that a higher standard? If not explain why.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"... hold BLM responsible for ALL black on white violence... or all violence against police?"
I don't suppose you'd care to bring that sweeping accusation down to more realistic proportions?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3
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The fourteenth amendment says that these rights apply to all persons and not just to citizens. You can opine on what persons mean if you want, but the federal courts have already given the official answer. This is a pretty good example of how the original meaning and intent of the framers deteriorates over time. Originally, in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, there were no declared Constitutional rights for illegal immigrants. Then with the end of slavery, the 14th amendment was written to allow Africans who were brought here against their will to have a new start. They were designated as "persons", not "former slaves", to keep any hateful white people of the late 1860's from claiming their children, or wives who weren't officially sold as slaves weren't included in the 14th amendment. Then we have cases like you referenced, Zadvydas v. Davis, which were not crystal clear, open and shut cases. Here's the dissenting opinions, one of them by the hardly conservative Anthony Kennedy;
quote: Zadvydas v. Davis - Wikipedia "...disregarded congressional intent and then rewrote the statute." When we take amendments that were written long after the U.S. Constitution was established, bend and shape them a little bit, then add a court case with certain circumstances that can inspire a little sympathy and emotion at that particular time, then throw in a few liberal supreme court justices, suddenly illegal immigrants have society-burdening legal rights that are actually found nowhere in U.S. foundations or tradition, or in the imaginations of U.S. founders. But you say that's the "official answer", so that's the way it is and Faith and I are WRONG because we can't accept it. Is there a difference between that and the way that you and most everyone here can't accept the official answer of who the voters wanted to be president back in November 2016?
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