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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: It seems to me that humans are solely responsible for this nature. Oh Phat. Humans are late comers, we've only been around for about 200,000 years. Life on earth has been competitive since it began. Big things eat smaller things to survive. Billions of years of evolution have made life competitive - if 'God did it', he made carnivores which can only survive by killing other animals. Many species co-operate to kill, including Homo. Life is designed to be competitive, it didn't need to be that way. Your God could have done it differently, why did he choose not to?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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It seems to me that by nature humans usually celebrate(worship) themselves. Given all the independent religions that have sprung up, it should also seem to you that by nature humans usually worship others too.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Tangle
tangel writes: Life is designed to be competitive, it didn't need to be that way. Your God could have done it differently, why did he choose not to? He did create it differently.All animals and mankind was originally vegetarians. Sorry to disappoint you. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ICANT writes:
All animals and mankind was originally vegetarians.
Evidence please.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
If I met God I'd ask him about the mechanism that caused Eve eating a mango to change the lion's teeth and digestive system.
All animals and mankind was originally vegetarians.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Nope. You assume too much. He hates it but allows it and does not intervene. Very well, if you insist, let me rephrase that: God would be unhappy however things turned out, but apparently he is less unhappy at having people worship false gods than he would be at demonstrating his truth in the way that he does continually throughout the Bible.
This world would turn upside done with incontrovertibls evidence of his existence. Mass genocide comes to mind. Maybe while he was giving incontrovertible evidence of his existence he could also give incontrovertible proof that he disapproves of genocide?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: I would imagine that IF GOD existed, He would have created and thus defined the very definition of rationality... The concept of gods is irrational to begin with, whether they exist or not.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Would you vote for a politician who acted (or failed to act) like God? Introducing Mr. Donald Trump. Ask me whether or not he attempted to act godlike in 3 years.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
No. If any gods existed they would not get to define rationality. It is what it is. I would imagine that IF GOD existed, He would have created and thus defined the very definition of rationality... Why do believers insist on redefining rationality, love, etc. to include God? Why not just concede that gods are irrational and hateful and insist that they're still worth following?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I asked if you would vote for him.
ringo writes:
Introducing Mr. Donald Trump. Ask me whether or not he attempted to act godlike in 3 years. Would you vote for a politician who acted (or failed to act) like God?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I never did. Personally, I liked Sanders. Evidently enough people did vote for trump. I wonder if they expect godlike behavior out of him?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I wonder if they expect godlike behavior out of him? Do you mean that Trump might cause a host of plagues just to prove who has the bigger dick or turn people into stone for simply looking over their shoulder or cheat in a trial of strength or lie about what will happen or kill innocent babies or wipe out all life on Earth or other God like behaviors then I hope not but it is certainly possible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I think they expect miracles.
I wonder if they expect godlike behavior out of him?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: Because that would be making humans equal to or greater than God. What you can't seem to grasp is that God by definition does get to define rationality, logic, reason, and reality itself. Now...to be fair, I won't make the same mistake that Dawn Bertot makes and speak on Gods behalf. What I will assert, however, is that humans don't have the ability to define God except as a lesser Being than themselves. My point (and counter assertion) is that God by definition is a greater Being than humans can (nevermind will) define. Why do believers insist on redefining rationality, love, etc. to include God? Why not just concede that gods are irrational and hateful and insist that they're still worth following? I will agree that many gods are made up and are in fact hateful, prideful, jealous, and petty. I will even cautiously agree that I can only "make up" what I believe God to be. My point is that GOD (The One who actually exists) is bigger than yours or my ability to define or to describe. You as an atheist are free, of course, to choose to deny that such a God exists. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: What you can't seem to grasp is that God by definition does get to define rationality, logic, reason, and reality itself. What you can't seem to grasp is that the Tyrant by definition does get to define rationality, logic, reason, and reality itself. AbE:
Phat writes: My point is that GOD (The One who actually exists) is bigger than yours or my ability to define or to describe. My point is that GOD (The One who actually exists) is different than yours or my ability to define or to describe. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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