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Author Topic:   Extremism. Where is the logic?
Phat
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Message 1 of 24 (800877)
03-01-2017 2:36 PM


Political/Philosophical Differences
I wish to start a topic on political extremism. By this I mean either far Left or far Right political ideology. There are several questions which I initially have--more can be added later.
First, let us define (and come to a consensus) regarding terminology and definitions.
Also, why is it that one extreme or the other is "bad" or "evil" while the other side is noble and pure?
If humans are all basically the same, does it make any sense that one-half choose evil and the other half choose good?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 2 of 24 (800914)
03-01-2017 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
03-01-2017 2:36 PM


Re: Political/Philosophical Differences
What I really want is an explanation of why the Left is bad and the Right is good.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 4 of 24 (800919)
03-02-2017 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Adequate
03-02-2017 12:46 AM


I Stand For The Working Class...
I'm not convinced that Jesus would have been more right than left. In Acts, when everyone laid their possessions at the Apostles feet (except Ananias and Saphira) the action itself was voluntary...though honesty was required. Today's left believes in taxing the possessions out of the wealthy...while the far right supports voluntary charity---which keeps many a 501 C 3 afloat.
I don't believe that the government should legislate morality, although a case could be made that its the only way that adequate charity for the poor will ever occur.
This is what Wiki defines Right and Left to be:
quote:
The terms left-wing and right-wing are widely used in the United States but, as on the global level, there is no firm consensus about their meaning. The only aspect that is generally agreed upon is that they are the defining opposites of the United States political spectrum. Left and right in the U.S. are generally associated with liberal and conservative respectively, although the meanings of the two sets of terms do not entirely coincide. Depending on the political affiliation of the individual using them, these terms can be spoken with varying implications. A 2005 poll of 2,209 American adults showed that "respondents generally viewed the paired concepts liberals and left-wingers and conservatives and right-wingers as possessing, respectively, generally similar political beliefs", but also showed that around ten percent fewer respondents understood the terms left and right than understood the terms liberal and conservative.[49]
The contemporary Left in the United States is usually understood as a category that includes New Deal social-liberals (in contrast to traditions of social democracy more common to Western Europe), Rawlsian liberals, and civil libertarians, who are often identified with the Democratic Party. In general, the term left-wing is understood to imply a commitment to egalitarianism, support for social policies that appeal to the working class, and multiculturalism. The contemporary center-left usually defines itself as promoting government regulation of business, commerce and industry; protection of fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion; and government intervention on behalf of racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities and the working class.
The reason I oppose the far left is because I disagree with forced government regulation to an excessive degree. I'll decide whether or not to rebuild the infrastructure...and in my mind, the wealthy should pay most of it.
On the other hand, I oppose the far right because I don't want forced morality either. I think there should be a cap on how wealthy people can get without being taxed. I am against excessive inheritance taxes, but would not mind seeing them on estates over one million dollars. In other words, I will admit that I favor my working class over either the rich or the poor. We need the tax break. We need an opportunity to retire with $100,000.00-$999,000.00 Anything over a million can rebuild the infrastructure.
As most of you know, I am a union steward. I favor union wages...the corporations want better executive pay and cheaper worker pay. I believe that every nickel of profit is earned through the workers...whereas they would assert that it is a contract between the customer and the corporation.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 8 of 24 (801103)
03-03-2017 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ringo
03-02-2017 11:21 AM


Re: I Stand For The Working Class...
ringo writes:
If the average worker's wage was $30 dollars an hour (just picking a hypothetical number out of thin air) I wouldn't care if the billionaires contributed a nickel.
I would. The billionaires control well over half the entire pool of money in existence. For them to not contribute is criminal at best. If they can't part with their precious money, it should be taken from them. There. I said it.
Perhaps I am morphing into an extremist...when the situation inconveniences me.
My critics often point out that at times I can be entirely selfish.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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