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What to say if you met God/god/Gods/gods

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Message 96 of 116 (800888)
03-01-2017 4:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 95 by ringo
03-01-2017 3:26 PM

Re: Rationale
Its not that He needs to use us. H uses us for our benefit. He wants to use us.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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03-02-2017 3:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 103 by Dr Adequate
03-02-2017 1:05 AM

Unjust Universe+Just God.
The Christian hope is in an unjust universe that is unjust in their favor.
Not sure I follow. God is our advocate, though an argument could be made that God allowed evil in the first place.
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Perhaps we can define Christianity as a God who loves (and therefore favors) humanity. Satan was allowed to exist to temper(strengthen) our soul. We become the decisions we make. Err...does that make any sense? I'm speaking on the fly....
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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04-03-2017 2:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 108 by Dr Adequate
03-02-2017 10:43 AM

Re: Unjust Universe+Just God.
Everyone is naturally bad without exception:
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Was Lucifer naturally "bad" before he fell? We may have to use selected dogma to support or refute this since it is hard to find in the Bible alone.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Message 110 of 116 (803689)
04-03-2017 2:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 106 by Stile
03-02-2017 10:16 AM

Making Do
Stile writes:
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The only difference is one side thinks they're acting under perfect knowledge - when such a thing is impossible for them to know. While the other side accepts the reality that we are unable to understand perfect knowledge, so we have to make do with what we can understand.
Does lack of proof preclude us from having Faith?
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Is an intuition measurable?
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You have mentioned that you are open to being shown a better way.
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How would you respond if you were shown such a way that had no proof?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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04-03-2017 2:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
03-02-2017 10:42 AM

Re: Rationale
ringo writes:
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If we're the ones doing the doing, we don't need Him to "use" us.
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Do we "need" Him for anything? How would we know any different if we prefer being the ones doing the doing?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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