The Disgusting Berkeley Riots

The context was already given if you'd been paying attention. RAZD's post defined it, with of course the clarification I posted to NN. All you had to do, as usual, was follow the argument.

The only case I know of where a cop killed a black man without any cause whatever was prosecuted and the cop is in prison. That was te guy who ran from a routine stop; the cop shot him in the back and then tried to make it look like the guy had stolen his tazer or something like that.Otherwise they are absurdly "protesting" the cases we've discussed here before of blacks being accidentally killed -- the kid in the park they thought had a gun, the guy selling cigarettes on the street who was suffocated by improper holding under the supervision of a black woman supervisor,and the rest I'm aware of were shot in self defense. If there others I'm not aware of, well I'm not aware of them.I'm not saying there isn't some racism in police departments that needs addressing, apparently there is, but the killings I know about have nothing to do with thatq. If it really was about racist cops against innocent blacks I'd be for it as long as it remained a peaceful protest. But it's violent so it's not a protest. So it has two strikes against it.They also preach murdering "white people."No, they are the racists.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I wasn't trusting anybody. I followed all the cases I mentioned very very carefully, I discussed them here, I provided quotes and pictures where they were available. I know what happened in the case of the boy who was shot to death in the park. He had a toy gun the cops tragically took for real. There is surveillance footage of what happened as he approached the police car and got shot to death. The cops were fearful and shot him. They were crouching down behind the car. Yes it's sad but it was an accident, perhaps blameable on nervous trigger-happy cops but still an accident, not racist murder.The other guy, Garner? I think, had been resisting arrest and was thrown to the ground and held down until he suffocated due to some medical problem. Nobody intended that, so it has to be called an accident. It was a black woman supervisor who gave the orders too so you can't call it racist.I also saw the video footage of the cop murdering the black guy and trying to cover it up. That's a case where it is a really good thing there was a witness who had a camera because otherwise all we'd have is the cop's testimony.And I also followed the cases where the cop was attacked by the black guy, usually in the act of arresting him for a crime. There's no point in trying to reason with someone like you as it is, who jumps on everything I say to make the absolute worst you can of it, so why would I care about your latest stupid evil conclusion about me?Apparently I am privy to news reports none of you ever see. The threats against "white people" by BLM protestors are out there everywhere but you seem not to have heard of it?Here's another google page. Ignore it if you like, it's up to you.Google&*And Front Page Mag:
Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out - David HorowitzEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh thank you SO much for accusing me of having a "selective memory" Between you and Theodoric and rrhain and PaulK and half a dozen others I'm treated with such kindness and grace here.No, I did not know about that. And my opinion at this distance is that it is a strange miscarriage of justice since it was an accident.Put that in your pipe and smoke swallow it, choke on it, who cares.

I gave a good enough account of what I actually saw. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What does violent rioting have to do with who it's aimed at? It's illegal, period.What does it have to do with mosques being burned down?You seem to be suffering from a strange mental breakdown of some sort.

I can't make out the picture.All I meant about "what I saw" is what I found out from researching it all AT THE TIME. Things have apparently happened since that I didn't hear about, but it certainly surprises me that what sounded at the time like an accidental overuse of force by the police has become a homicide. And I have NO desire to "exonerate the police" and you really need to curb your accusations.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The same situation applies. If instead of an accident what we have is a PROSECUTED HOMICIDE, for crying out loud, then BLM has no case there either. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Wow. What a setup. The Left is even more scurrilous than I thought.

I never even heard of the topics you've brought up, clearly just anything you can find to smear me with, a version of today's leftist tactic against Trump. Plots within plots.The Berkeley Riots are a huge destructive illegal deal, a violation of the right to protest, this is NEW, it's NEWS, it's a product of a new insane leftist mentality, probably engineered by Soros or others behind the scenes; it's important, it's something definitely to be addressed.On the other hand, burning mosques, burning churches, burning synagogues, all normal criminal stuff. I guess you'd only start a thread on the mosques, right? Not the churches or the synagogues. Anyway, you should start a thread if you want to.

The same is true for you. You don't consider rioting a biggie, you don't consider burning down churches a biggie, or burning down synagogues.

You obviously don't recall the original discussion, where I got into all the issues quite deeply and all you care about is finding something to accuse me of. Typical, of course, and typically underhanded. I considered all the issues as presented in the news at the time, that were discussed here too. Apparently I got all the other examples right, but the Garner case changed after our discussion from accidental death to homicide. It doesn't matter whether it was an accident or a homicide as far as not providing an excuse for BLM, just as none of the other cases did. Besides, doesn't homicide imply intention? Where was the intention to kill the man? They just overdid restraining him. If culpability is involved, homicide is beyond the actual level of it.

Yes I didn't read carefully. Homicide still doesn't fit the facts, it's too extreme. BUT AGAIN, it doesn't matter. If justice was done how does that give BLM a case. OK, if they brought it about, fine, they had ONE case to justify their protest. None of the others I listed justify it. If there is justification it isn't in those cases.

If I ran over someone by accident it wouldn't be called homicide. Probably manslaughter or something like that.What lie?

That's a very nice overview and I get your point. It would have been good to have that spelled out a lot sooner before the specifics we were debating got argued into an excuse for accusing me of the usual perfidies. Even with the correction that Garner's family won a civil suit for his death because of police negligence, Nothing in those examples I gave justifies BLM, and nothing I said deserved the stuff that was thrown at me. None of those cases I listed, including Garner, amount to a sufficient justification for BLM, and it makes BLM look like a defense of criminal behavior. The violence that does occur adds to that impression.But of course we have to get into a thing about the meaning of "homicide." Sorry, I guess I equate the word with intentional murder, sorry I'm not up on the technical meaning. So that's my fault in it, which doesn't excuse the kinds of stuff that got thrown at me IMO.So, it's sad if a black man gets killed for threatening a cop who is trying to deal with a petty crime, but what is the solution? Disarm the cop so the petty criminal can kill HIM? What IS the solution? It's hard for me to sympathize with a major and sometimes violent protest over such incidents. What IS the solution?