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NoNukes
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Message 133 of 275 (800399)
02-23-2017 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
02-22-2017 10:46 PM


Re: Yiannopolous redeemed himself
Fake news means the initial report was false, which was a possibility. Turns out the initial piece of information came from him. You seem to love to find little faults to complain about. Why?
Why, young moth, do you keep returning to the candle wick? Ms. "Protestants never persecuted Quakers"?
Did you check things the reports before you made your silly post? Yet both Milo's original words and his apology were readily available. Did you check them before claiming to have been victimized.? No, you did not. Why not? I think it is because you read something you think you like and post it.
Did you then do a poor reading of those things before concluding that Yiannopolous had redeemed himself? Yes, you did do that poor reading, because you missed the entire sense of his apology. You promised us that you'd read more. Did you do that? No.
You continue to act as if Percy does not maintain a record of our posts here. Your inanity is on full display. I'm nothing special. Anyone here could point out the same silliness I see.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 135 of 275 (800418)
02-23-2017 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
02-23-2017 2:00 AM


Re: Yiannopolous redeemed himself
YOu just can't tell the truth can you? I didn't "yell" about any of it.
Did I say that you yelled. This time?
Then I saw some conservative sites defending him and then Dr. A said what he said so it occurred to me that perhaps I'd been the victim of fake news and said that,
The time to check for truth is before you post and not after. Why is that one single suggestion, to vet your sources before taking a position, so alien to you?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 159 of 275 (800653)
02-26-2017 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
02-26-2017 4:22 PM


Re: targets
Gee, sounds a lot like Black Lives Matter.
Yes, it does. Finally I get to agree with you about something. That hasn't happened very often over the last couple of weeks.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 169 of 275 (800701)
02-27-2017 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
02-27-2017 2:17 AM


Re: targets
The only case I know of where a cop killed a black man without any cause whatever was prosecuted and the cop is in prison. That was te guy who ran from a routine stop; the cop shot him in the back and then tried to make it look like the guy had stolen his tazer or something like that.
That policeman is not in prison. He was tried and a mistrial was declared because at least one member of the jury refused to convict him even after seeing the video. Officer Slager is currently out on bond.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 171 of 275 (800703)
02-27-2017 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Faith
02-27-2017 3:15 AM


Re: targets
The other guy, Garner? I think, had been resisting arrest and was thrown to the ground and held down until he suffocated due to some medical problem.
Your memory is extremely selective.
The cause of Eric Garner's death was asphyxiation caused by being placed in a chokehold, an action that was against police department policy. The medical examiner ruled the case a homicide. Why did you not mention that? If you are not aware, his family was given a multi-million dollar settlement after the city attorney refused to prosecute.
Killing of Eric Garner - Wikipedia
quote:
On August 1, Garner's death was found by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office to be a result of "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." ... The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide.
Edited by NoNukes, : cite source

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 173 of 275 (800707)
02-27-2017 4:19 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
02-27-2017 4:04 AM


Re: targets
No, I did not know about that. And my opinion at this distance is that it is a strange miscarriage of justice since it was an accident.
Why are you talking crap about stuff you know nothing about? Where in the world did you get that BS version of events that you put in your post?
I'll note here that you did not even get the facts regarding Officer Slager right. Doesn't that bother you in the least? You should know by now that you make substantial errors like that you are going to get called on them.
Even if you take the position that Eric Garner and Tamir Rice's deaths were accidents, fatal accidents often occur because an improper amount of care was taken. In the case of Rice, you seem to acknowledge haste being a factor in the resulting accident to use your terms. Such accidents are at best negligence, and at worse gross disregard for the consequences of ones actions.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 180 of 275 (800748)
02-27-2017 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
02-27-2017 4:58 AM


Re: targets
I gave a good enough account of what I actually saw.
Actually, your account failed to include facts that were contrary to your attempt to dismiss any culpability of the police. You really are going to have to stop relying on your memory.
Here is what you would have seen if you looked:
Profanity edit by me....
Faith writes:
You can take your [****] version of things and stuff it down your throat. You rarely get anything right and I'm sick of your stupid twisted stuff.
Perhaps some prayer closet time would be in order. Maybe some blog time as well?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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 Message 174 by Faith, posted 02-27-2017 4:58 AM Faith has replied

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 185 of 275 (800982)
03-02-2017 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
03-02-2017 12:30 PM


Re: targets
And I have NO desire to "exonerate the police" and you really need to curb your accusations.
Yes you do. The entire point of your posts was to show that BLM really did not have any incidents to protest. In making that point you attempted to claim that the killing of Eric Garner was mere accidents.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 194 of 275 (800997)
03-02-2017 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
03-02-2017 12:46 PM


Re: targets
The same situation applies. If instead of an accident what we have is a PROSECUTED HOMICIDE, for crying out loud, then BLM has no case there either.
And there was no prosecution despite the fact that the death was reported as a homicide. As I stated, Eric Garner's family won a multi-million dollar civil suit. Your reading comprehension stinks.
And of course, you did indeed have reason to "mis-remember" the details because you were making a specific argument that required that Eric Garner's death was an accident resulting from a medical condition rather than a homicide resulting from a choke-hold and chest compression.
Eric Garner is dead, and he should not be. That is reason enough to complain. Walter Scott is dead, and despite the evidence, the jury could not convict his murderer. That's reason to complain. There is no justice at all for Tamir Rice, and your defense is that despite the fact that the police were trigger happy, accidents happen.
Yet all it takes for you to complain is being quoted properly while pointing out the BS in your arguments.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


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Message 196 of 275 (801000)
03-02-2017 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Faith
03-02-2017 1:35 PM


Re: targets
Apparently I got all the other examples right, but the Garner case changed after our discussion from accidental death to homicide.
No, it did not. You lie.
It doesn't matter whether it was an accident or a homicide as far as not providing an excuse for BLM, just as none of the other cases did. Besides, doesn't homicide imply intention?
If you ran over someone while driving because you accidentally hit the accelerated instead of the brakes, don't you think you would be prosecuted? Do you have any clue about the law?
I am an idiot. I am attempting to argue facts and law with a moron.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 199 of 275 (801006)
03-02-2017 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
03-02-2017 1:45 PM


Re: targets
Homicide is the killing of a person by another human being. Period.
Faith writes:
If I ran over someone by accident it wouldn't be called homicide. Probably manslaughter or something like that.
Both terms are appropriate.
quote:
Vehicular homicide is a crime that involves the death of a person other than the driver as a result of either criminally negligent or murderous operation of a motor vehicle. In cases of criminal negligence, the defendant is commonly charged with unintentional vehicular manslaughter.
Note that intent is not required. Negligence is sufficient.
In the case of Eric Garner, a homicide might still be justifiable, in which case, the killer might still not be punished. The purpose of pointing out that the death was a homicide was to indicate that your statement Garner expired from a medical condition was pure fabrication. It is also a lie because there was no official ruling that his death was an accident rather than a homicide. The ruling did not change. It is also the case that intent is not required for prosecution.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 200 of 275 (801007)
03-02-2017 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Faith
03-02-2017 1:43 PM


Re: targets
If justice was done how does that give BLM a case.
Are you really this stupid?
Justice was not done. Eric Garner was dead, and nobody was punished. Instead the city of New York had to pony up millions of dollars of tax money to partially compensate the victim's family?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 216 of 275 (801049)
03-02-2017 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:08 PM


Re: the big picture
Tell you what. If BLM protestors, or the black community in general, loudly denounced the violence that associates itself with them, even the obstruction of streets that sometimes occurs and causes problems for others, I'd be far more open to your argument.
No, you would not be far more open to the arguments of others. We know that because both black folks in general, and BLM in particular have made such denouncements repeated, and you have not changed your mind.
Instead what I see and hear -- and I admit I probably miss a lot of news -- what I see and hear is incendiary talk
"You miss a lot?" No shit. You only appreciate sources that harp on the incendiary talk of folks who don't represent "Black Community" whoever the #$@&! you think they are. If you cared about hearing what they or BLM had to say you could easily find such pronouncements from black people with next to zero effort.
Of course, your ignorance is always someone else's fault. You say you did not find enough youtube videos to convince you? Youtube is a piss poor way to do research.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 218 of 275 (801051)
03-02-2017 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:44 PM


Re: the big picture
No, I admit I am not motivated to do enough research and it's getting harder all the time.
You don't see anything wrong with making proclamations about what other folks have or have not done without checking? Please explain why that state of affairs reflects poorly on my logic.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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