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Modulous
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Message 16 of 960 (801227)
03-04-2017 12:30 PM
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03-04-2017 5:19 AM


Of course there are rightist assassinations, but there is nothing going on from the right like the social media calls for Trump's assassination which are ongoing, and all the violent "protests" are on the Left.
Hrm:
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Obama and his wife are never going to make it to the White House. He needs to be taken out and I can do it in a heartbeat
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I'll get a sniper rifle and take care of it myself. Somebody's got to do it ... We both know Obama is the anti-Christ.
Jerry Blanchard, sentenced to one year and one day in prison for making the threats. He was also fined $3,000.
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No nigger should ever live in the White House
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Yeah, they were here to do that, to assassinate him
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shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a [rifle] sighted at 750 yards
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He don't belong in political office. Blacks don't belong in political office. He ought to be shot.
sentenced for firearm and drug related offences.
Add to this Paul Schlesselman and Daniel Cowart - neo nazis who plotted to kill 88 black people including Obama. sentenced to 10 and 14 years.
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Kill him!
Various reports of this being yelled at Palin and McCain rallies in reference to Obama.
James G Cummings, neo-nazi, who was building a dirty bomb was killed by his wife.
Terence Edward Kelly, Khalid Kelly, Islamist,
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Personally I would feel happy if Obama was killed. How could I not feel happy when a big enemy of Islam is gone?
Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez, believed Obama was the anti-christ and fired shots at the White House. sentence to 25 years.
The FEAR militia, 4 men plotted a variety of terrorist activities including killing Obama, and murdered two people to try to prevent discovery. 20 years to life.
Glenn Scott Crawford and Eric J. Feight, affiliated with the KKK plotted to kill Muslims and Obama with an X-ray device emitting lethal levels of radiation.

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Message 17 of 960 (801230)
03-04-2017 2:18 PM
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03-04-2017 4:32 AM


I just heard a great talk by David Horowitz in which he characterized an argument between a leftist and a conservative as Godzilla against Bambi, because of the Left's powerful arsenal of accusations against the Right, the accusations of racism and all the rest of the PC baggage, while the right is always on the defensive and has nothing comparable to answer with.
There is a reason why the right-wing has nothing intellectually effective to answer with, but it's not because of anything related to childhood films and books. It's simply because, on the whole, right-wingers are notoriously incapable of mustering real evidence to support their position.
You say it's an "accusation of racism." Yet the racism among right-wingers is real; you would have us believe that the overt racism of conservative, right-wing America in the 50s and 60s simply disappeared overnight -- a notion that runs counter to all evidence.
- The "All Lives Matter" trope sprung up from conservative, right-wing America as a response to the "Black Lives Matter" movement. It wasn't a phrase after 9/11, or after Hurricane Katrina. It was specifically formulated after the Black Lives Matter movement gained traction; it's a reaction from right-wing America that seeks to minimize and erase the impact of #BlackLivesMatter. That's racism, because it's used as a cultural and social tool to suppress a legitimate movement for racial justice.
- When right-wing America seeks to eliminate Affirmative Action policies in university admissions, that's racism, because it disenfranchises blacks and other PoC to the (unearned) advantage of whites. And when right-wing college kids whine about not getting into the school of their choice "because of Affirmative Action," that's racism, too.
- When right-wingers complain about the Confederate flag's removal from South Carolina's state capitol, that's racism.
- When my sister's right-wing mother-in-law says the 60s were a dark time for America because of the Black Panthers and American Indian Movement, that's racism, too -- and it's a view held by many right-wingers who are so fundamentally blind (or refuse to see) to the violence of state-sanctioned racism that they abhor the Black Panther Party of the 60s.
The right-wing is actually replete with racist ideologies, and that's not an accusation but an observation built on years of accumulated evidence.
And when the right-wing demonizes those who identify as LGTBQ+ and seek to enforce their own view of morality through legislation, that's a lack of empathy and humanity. When right-wing America turns to a populist demagogue for salvation when their wallets take a hit, instead of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like they've long told PoC to do, that's hypocrisy. When right-wingers accuse the Left of political correctness, while burning the jerseys of a football player who wouldn't stand for the national anthem, that's also hypocrisy.
And when they vote for a candidate who's entire campaign was launched with the lie of immigrant criminality, that's ignorance and bigotry.
You're right. Right-wing America doesn't have anything comparable to hurl at the American left.

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Message 18 of 960 (801231)
03-04-2017 2:25 PM
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03-04-2017 12:30 PM


Even those voices seem like isolated loonies compared with the stuff in tweets and coming out of Hollywood in favor of assassinating Trump. But say it's equivalent, all that's going on now is threats against Trump.

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Message 19 of 960 (801232)
03-04-2017 2:26 PM
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03-04-2017 4:32 AM


I just heard a great talk by David Horowitz in which he characterized an argument between a leftist and a conservative as Godzilla against Bambi, because of the Left's powerful arsenal of accusations against the Right, the accusations of racism and all the rest of the PC baggage, while the right is always on the defensive and has nothing comparable to answer with.
Then maybe the right should stop being racist, instead of just whining about being called on their racism.

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Message 20 of 960 (801234)
03-04-2017 2:37 PM
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03-04-2017 2:25 PM


Post links to tweets favoring assasinating Trump. That come from Hollywood.
Of course you can't and won't.

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Modulous
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Message 21 of 960 (801236)
03-04-2017 3:01 PM
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03-04-2017 2:25 PM


Even those voices seem like isolated loonies compared with the stuff in tweets and coming out of Hollywood in favor of assassinating Trump.
So it's isolated loonies when they are right-wing, but evidence of a general pattern when they are left-wing?
But say it's equivalent, all that's going on now is threats against Trump.
This is not true.

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Message 22 of 960 (801237)
03-04-2017 3:02 PM
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03-04-2017 2:18 PM


The racism is all coming from the Left
No it's not a lack of intellectual answers by the right against the Left, it's that the Left has all the emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination. It's a difference of method that Horowitz rightly describes as the violence of Godzilla against the Bambi weakness of the merely intellectual stance of the Right. The Right is geared to discussion, the Left to annihilating their enemies. As Horowitz pointed out, Trump showed himself in the campaign to be a "brawler" which is a new thing on the Right, which Horowitz said he'd been waiting to see for thirty years.
I'm sure there are some racists on the Right, but the vast majority are not and the term in any case is nothing but Political Correctness which is a method of destruction fueled by emotional moral indignation. It's a strategy of war, it's got nothing to do with reality.
The Trump movement is above all a movement of patriotism against the America-bashing of the Left, which Obama expressed all the time in his apologies to our enemies and his bowing to Muslim leaders. Finally we have a President who loves America as we do.
A President who wants to see prosperity return after Obama's selling us out to our enemies economically too, in unfair trade deals. The proof of the pudding is in the amazing growth in the stock market/Wall Street or whatever the right economic term is -- I don't understand money I'm afraid but those who do point out that we're already reaping economic growth through Trump's Presidency.
Wish you were right that Black Lives Matter is a legitimate protest. I think they have legitimate causes but I also think they have chosen the wrong way to seek redress for those causes. The movement itself is unfortunately racist, at least on the part of some of the leaders and participants, so your argument that "All Lives Matter" is racist is bogus.; another piece of Leftist race-baiting, or racism itself.
I don't know about the Indian movement in the sixties, but I do know that the Black Panthers were a band of murdering thugs and your sister's MIL is right about that. Their race is irrelevant. It's the Left that is racist, always making a big deal out of the irrelevance of race. The problem is the murdering thuggery. Why can't leftists THINK?
This complaint about the right being against LGBTQ is also spurious. Trump came out in support of them but they go on as if he hadn't. And there are problems with some of the LGBTQ demands such as the bathroom flap, that need to be addressed. You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed. You need to admit that other solutions are needed, you can't just make everybody bow to the supposed needs of a tiny minority group when it does cause distress and problems for the majority, and especially for children in the schools. And I'm not even mentioning the attack on Christian businesses. Forcing people to accept your morality is what YOU are doing. All you have to do is take your business elsewhere, nobody's forcing you to use a Christian business or agree with them.
And of course you descend to the stupidity of accusing Trump of identifying ALL ililegal aliens as criminal. Why can't you THINK? He said he wanted to deport the criminals among them. And again, you turn it into a race issue when it's a matter of law, legality, right and wrong. Only the Left makes such things into racism, which makes the Left itself the racist influence. The nation has become racially divided in a way it never was before Obama's racist administration. this is the Left's doing, not the right's.
The iillegal immigration problem is not about race, it's about law; the Muslim refugee problem is not about race, it's about national security. You're the racist.
Yes, concerns about law and national security are pretty pale in comparison to being able to hurl character assassinating epithets like racism. The right is too civilized for such evil tactics.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Genomicus
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Message 23 of 960 (801240)
03-04-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
03-04-2017 3:02 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
...it's that the Left has all the emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination.
You're making this up. The Right has plenty of emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination.
The Right is geared to discussion...
More stuff you're making up. Faith, you need to back up your claims with real evidence which establishes a standard for what constitutes "discussion," and then goes on to demonstrate that right-wing America is more geared to discussion than the left.
I'm sure there are some racists on the Right, but the vast majority are not and the term in any case is nothing but Political Correctness which is a method of destruction fueled by emotional moral indignation.
Racism is an empirical reality, so marginalizing the term to "nothing but Political Correctness" is in itself a defense of the current social and institutional structures which uphold racism.
I think they have legitimate causes but I also think they have chosen the wrong way to seek redress for those causes. The movement itself is unfortunately racist, at least on the part of some of the leaders and participants, so your argument that "All Lives Matter" is racist is bogus.
The Black Lives Matter movement is not racist. It is anti-racist. Your critique of their methods only shows the extent of your white privilege, wherein you believe you hold the answers to what the appropriate approach to fighting oppression is. Blacks are getting killed by cops, by a racist legal system which incarcerates blacks and destroys their communities; this is state-sanctioned violence with very real and very lethal effects. Your obsession with MLK Jr.'s methods vs. those of, e.g., Malcolm X shows your obsession with keeping the racist status quo in place so that white, right-wing America doesn't have their lives disrupted by BLM protesters (the cultural sanitization of MLK Jr.'s approach notwithstanding).
...but I do know that the Black Panthers were a band of murdering thugs and your sister's MIL is right about that.
Sure, and the American revolutionaries of the 1700s were also a band of murdering thugs. Look, the Black Panthers were fighting (racist) state violence with violence. It seems that that's acceptable for white America to do (Revolutionary War, the Alamo, etc.), but not for blacks. And that ideological hypocrisy is a manifestation of your racism.
This complaint about the right being against LGBTQ is also spurious. Trump came out in support of them but they go on as if he hadn't.
"Right-wing America can't be anti-LGTBQ+ because Trump isn't" sounds awfully like "America can't be racist because it has a black President." Even if Trump is authentically in support of LGBTQ+ rights, that doesn't mean that right-wing America as a whole is.
You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
That's the whole point of the fight for transgender rights. You can't make little girls -- who happen to be transgender -- feel comfortable in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
All you have to do is take your business elsewhere, nobody's forcing you to use a Christian business or agree with them.
"You can just take your business elsewhere, boy, nobody's forcing you to use a whites-only business."
Yeah, that's what you sound like.
And of course you descend to the stupidity of accusing Trump of identifying ALL ililegal aliens as criminal. Why can't you THINK?
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Trump said specifically that Mexican undocumented immigrants are rapists. He assumes that "some" are good people. This is a complete reversal of empirical reality. If his campaign was built more on a model of truth, and not lie, he would have said something like: "They're good people. And some, I assume, are rapists."
It's the right-wing base that cheered Trump for his demonization of undocumented immigrants. That's ignorance, and that's bigotry.
the Muslim refugee problem is not about race, it's about national security.
Oh, c'mon. If Trump was actually concerned with national security instead of scapegoating an entire religious group, he'd put up a Male Ban. The gender of an individual is a far, far greater predictor of violence than religion; so if Trump and right-wingers were concerned with national security, they'd at least champion "extreme vetting" for ALL males entering the country. That'd be based on empirical evidence instead of scapegoating.
But nope. You right-wingers love your scapegoats.
Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.

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Message 24 of 960 (801243)
03-04-2017 3:39 PM
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03-04-2017 3:32 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
It might help if you listened to Horowitz's speech.

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Genomicus
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Message 25 of 960 (801244)
03-04-2017 3:49 PM
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03-04-2017 3:39 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Faith, I have no problem raising my fist on a university campus in a black power/Marxist/solidarity/whatever-the-freak you want to call it symbol, in front of a line of riot cops and Trump supporters. But yeah, sure, I'll sit for an hour and listen to the same whitewashed, right-wing claptrap I've heard since I was a child.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 26 of 960 (801245)
03-04-2017 3:50 PM
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03-04-2017 3:02 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
A President who wants to see prosperity return after Obama's selling us out to our enemies economically too, in unfair trade deals. The proof of the pudding is in the amazing growth in the stock market/Wall Street or whatever the right economic term is ...
I think it's generally known as "the Obama legacy" or "the Obama bull market".
Obama’s Stock Market Legacy Is Hard to Beat - WSJ
The Obama bull market: A 140% jump in the Dow

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Modulous
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Message 27 of 960 (801247)
03-04-2017 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
03-04-2017 3:02 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
This complaint about the right being against LGBTQ is also spurious.
No, it isn't. You yourself have accused us of being abominations and demon possessed. It's the right that propose the laws that negatively impact LGBTQ community, that use anti-LGBTQ rhetoric in their speeches.
You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
Now that people who were assigned female at birth but who identify and look like men are forced to use the ladies - people assigned male at birth and who identify and look like men can use the ladies and claim to be the former group. So the 'problem' isn't solved either way.
Also, being safe is more important than feeling safe. I've been sexually assaulted in men's bathrooms because I was wearing a dress.
You need to admit that other solutions are needed, you can't just make everybody bow to the supposed needs of a tiny minority group when it does cause distress and problems for the majority, and especially for children in the schools.
You can cause distress for the majority of the minority a majority of the time
Or a minority of the majority the minority of the time.
Almost all the majority won't be in a bathroom with the minority most of the time. When they are, they usually won't even be aware.
The minority are always aware when they are in a bathroom where they look out of place, and the majority are also aware. So when the minority comes into contact with the occasional violent member of the minority, they face a real and present danger. There are more violent members of the cisgender group than there are transgender people in total. The number of violent transgender people is therefore tiny. The number of sexually violent transgender people is a tiny tiny minority of a small minority.
And I'm not even mentioning the attack on Christian businesses.
Or the attacks on secular trans-friendly businesses.
Forcing people to accept your morality is what YOU are doing. All you have to do is take your business elsewhere, nobody's forcing you to use a Christian business or agree with them.
I don't typically ask the religion of the owners of a business before attending. Unfortunately, this way of thinking means the majority can get away with oppressing the minorities and making their life considerably poorer and it costs lives.
Trump came out in support of them but they go on as if he hadn't.
Trump has hardly engendered {pun intended} trust.
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I think the institution of marriage should be between a man and a woman
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I’m opposed to gay marriage
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I would strongly consider {appointing judges to overturn the the decision on same-sex marriage}
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If I am elected president and Congress passes the First Amendment Defense Act. I will sign it to protect the deeply held religious beliefs of Catholics and the beliefs of Americans of all faiths
--Trump
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Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior
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Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage
--Pence

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Dr Adequate
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Message 28 of 960 (801249)
03-04-2017 4:13 PM
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03-04-2017 3:02 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
And yet conservatives wish to make it not merely "allowed" but mandatory by law for these men to use the ladies' room.
Apparently conservatives don't want little girls to feel comfortable or safe when that stands in the way of their more important objective of hurting and endangering trans people.

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Message 29 of 960 (801254)
03-04-2017 5:19 PM
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03-04-2017 4:13 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Use your head. I identified one problem, you identified another. I did not support any particular solution. How about suggesting a reasonable solution?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 30 of 960 (801255)
03-04-2017 5:22 PM
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03-04-2017 3:55 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Where did I say "abomination?" I have wondered if demon influence or possession may be behind some of the stranger things people experience. There is nothing crazy about that idea. I also think it's probably behind some forms of mental illness. It's something to think about, not something to get all offended about.
When little girls would rather wet their pants than go into a bathroom with boys you are in the wrong to force it on them.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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