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Faith 
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Message 61 of 960 (801305)
03-05-2017 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Genomicus
03-04-2017 3:32 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
...it's that the Left has all the emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination.
You're making this up. The Right has plenty of emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination.
Why oh why can't leftists think? This is a category error. I'm talking about Political Correctness which is an arsenal of weapons used in the war against everybody who disagrees with them. Not the occasional epithet somebody on the right slings at a leftist in the heat of argument. There is no organized weaponry of character assassination on the right, but it is organized, systematic, virulent and practiced on the Left. You say you listened to Horowitz. I guess you managed to learn nothing.
The Right is geared to discussion...
More stuff you're making up. Faith,
It's a way of saying what Horowitz said about Bambi. Godzilla uses words to kill, Bambi answers with analysis of problems.
you need to back up your claims with real evidence which establishes a standard for what constitutes "discussion," and then goes on to demonstrate that right-wing America is more geared to discussion than the left.
No, I don't. You need to learn to think.
I'm sure there are some racists on the Right, but the vast majority are not and the term in any case is nothing but Political Correctness which is a method of destruction fueled by emotional moral indignation.
Racism is an empirical reality, so marginalizing the term to "nothing but Political Correctness" is in itself a defense of the current social and institutional structures which uphold racism.
Racism is a weapon the left uses against political opponents. You use it that way too. You aren't interested in thinking through problems, you just want to destroy the Right. Real racism exists but it's nothing like the problem you are making it out to be. The Civil Rights Movement DID succeed. If it weren't for the Left continually stirring the pot we could almost consider ourselves the colorblind nation MLK envisioned. There ARE no social structures that uphold racism, there are still some problem situations that need to be addressed in a clearheaded way, which your way is not.
I think they have legitimate causes but I also think they he chosen the wrong way to seek redress for those causes. The movement itself is unfortunately racist, at least on the part of some of the leaders and participants, so your argument that "All Lives Matter" is racist is bogus.
The Black Lives Matter movement is not racist. It is anti-racist.
This discussion belongs on the other thread. Start with this post .
Your critique of their methods only shows the extent of your white privilege, wherein you believe you hold the answers to what the appropriate approach to fighting oppression is. Blacks are getting killed by cops,
Mostly due to their own refusal to comply when caught in a crime. Sometimes unjustly too. Please take this to the other thread.
by a racist legal system which incarcerates blacks and destroys their communities; this is state-sanctioned violence with very real and very lethal effects.
This is mostly Marxist ideology/false analysis, though Modulous on the other thread has shown some reality to it.
Your obsession with MLK Jr.'s methods vs. those of, e.g., Malcolm X shows your obsession with keeping the racist status quo in place so that white, right-wing America doesn't have their lives disrupted by BLM protesters (the cultural sanitization of MLK Jr.'s approach notwithstanding).
More Marxist talking points. No, it shows that I have respect for the laws that hold a nation together instead of allowing people to destroy it. MLK's methods worked.
...but I do know that the Black Panthers were a band of murdering thugs and your sister's MIL is right about that.
Sure, and the American revolutionaries of the 1700s were also a band of murdering thugs.
That's a vicious evil lie. Vile pernicious ignorance of history. How dare you.
Look, the Black Panthers were fighting (racist) state violence with violence.
Where are you getting your bogus evil history? The Black Panthers were self-serving thugs.
It seems that that's acceptable for white America to do (Revolutionary War, the Alamo, etc.), but not for blacks. And that ideological hypocrisy is a manifestation of your racism.
The universities are more evil in their lying leftist indoctrination than I had any idea. Take your vile propaganda to the other thread at least.
This complaint about the right being against LGBTQ is also spurious. Trump came out in support of them but they go on as if he hadn't.
"Right-wing America can't be anti-LGTBQ+ because Trump isn't" sounds awfully like "America can't be racist because it has a black President." Even if Trump is authentically in support of LGBTQ+ rights, that doesn't mean that right-wing America as a whole is.
OK I thought you were talking about Trump. If not, yes there is probably some anti-LGBTQ feeling on the right. Probably on the left too. Yes, I consider it to be a minority trying to force an alien morality on the majority. it is also a well known Marxist/Communist cause going back to the early days of Communism in America. I encountered a virulent version of it in the sixties. Be that as it may, nobody is denying reasonable social accommodations where possible. The problem is that the demands are often unreasonable.
You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
That's the whole point of the fight for transgender rights. You can't make little girls -- who happen to be transgender -- feel comfortable in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
You're a tiny minority. Ask for something reasonable.
All you have to do is take your business elsewhere, nobody's forcing you to use a Christian business or agree with them.
"You can just take your business elsewhere, boy, nobody's forcing you to use a whites-only business."
Yeah, that's what you sound like.
Whoever indoctrinated you certainly did a bangup job of it. No, the problem is driving the Christians out of business with your unreasonable demands. I'm sure you don't care of course, but that is why you are asked to take your business elsewhere. Your arguments are so evil they nauseate me. But I suppose you're just a victim of leftist indoctrination.
And of course you descend to the stupidity of accusing Trump of identifying ALL ililegal aliens as criminal. Why can't you THINK?
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
You know what he meant, you just want to engender hatred against him and his supporters.
Trump said specifically that Mexican undocumented immigrants are rapists. He assumes that "some" are good people. This is a complete reversal of empirical reality.
Do you know that the Bible says that people who make others guilty for not using words as precisely as you demand +are committing a great sin? that's what you are so many like you are doing to Trump. It gets done a lot to me too.
If his campaign was built more on a model of truth, and not lie, he would have said something like: "They're good people. And some, I assume, are rapists."
Oh give it a break. Try a little civility. Marxism isn't known for it but give it a try. This nation used to be civilized, not so much any more. Horowitz was joking when he said he thought he'd been called to leave the Left in order to teach conservatives bad manners. Meaning of course that the Left is about as bad mannered as you can get and civil people can't win against them without adopting their methods. Get off your high horse, get off your Offended Wounded Victim horse.
t's the right-wing base that cheered Trump for his demonization of undocumented immigrants. That's ignorance, and that's bigotry.
No, that paragraph is just Marxist lies. Nobody has "demonized" ILLEGAL ALIENS (which is what "undocumented immigrants" are in Reality), and the ignorance and bigotry are all yours sweetheart. I hope you choke on it.
the Muslim refugee problem is not about race, it's about national security.
Oh, c'mon. If Trump was actually concerned with national security instead of scapegoating an entire religious group, he'd put up a Male Ban.
I'm sorry, you're a liar and a lunatic as well as an idiot.
The gender of an individual is a far, far greater predictor of violence than religion; so if Trump and right-wingers were concerned with national security, they'd at least champion "extreme vetting" for ALL males entering the country. That'd be based on empirical evidence instead of scapegoating. But nope. You right-wingers love your scapegoats.
Learn something about Islam.
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Faith 
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Message 62 of 960 (801306)
03-05-2017 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Dr Adequate
03-04-2017 11:33 PM


Re: The Bathroom Police
Little girl won't go into the newly transgendered bathroom at her school because there are boys in there, so every day she wets her pants.

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Message 63 of 960 (801307)
03-05-2017 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
03-05-2017 12:16 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Why oh why can't leftists think? This is a category error. I'm talking about Political Correctness which is an arsenal of weapons used in the war against everybody who disagrees with them. Not the occasional epithet somebody on the right slings at a leftist in the heat of argument. There is no organized weaponry of character assassination on the right ...
Of course there is. What planet are you living on?
Hey Faith, have you noticed how in your post you repeatedly call Genomicus and his opinions "Marxist" because you disagree with them? You'll be astonished to learn that this is not just an "occasional epithet" and that other people on the right also use this term to defame people who disagree with them.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 64 of 960 (801308)
03-05-2017 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
03-05-2017 12:27 AM


Re: The Bathroom Police
Little girl won't go into the newly transgendered bathroom at her school because there are boys in there, so every day she wets her pants.
When and where did this happen?
Remember, I am asking about actual problems, not imaginary ones.
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Faith 
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Message 65 of 960 (801309)
03-05-2017 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Dr Adequate
03-05-2017 12:32 AM


Re: The Bathroom Police
The mother reported it on some website I saw. It's not imaginary.

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Faith 
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Message 66 of 960 (801310)
03-05-2017 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Dr Adequate
03-05-2017 12:32 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
You can't think either.

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Message 67 of 960 (801311)
03-05-2017 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
03-05-2017 12:35 AM


Re: The Bathroom Police
The mother reported it on some website I saw. It's not imaginary.
Let us know if you ever find it.

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Message 68 of 960 (801312)
03-05-2017 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
03-05-2017 12:39 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
You can't think either.
Hmm, a conservative decrying the intelligence of a liberal as a substitute for putting up any semblance of a cogent argument ... boy, I bet that's never happened before.

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Message 69 of 960 (801313)
03-05-2017 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
03-04-2017 9:59 PM


The transphobia is all coming from the Right
The term in the Bible, not my term then. When you say I called it an abomination it of course implied that I called it an abomination.
Unless you disagree with the Bible on this matter, my point that you call it an abomination stands. Just because you are adopting an opinion from another source doesn't mean it isn't your opinion.
What I want is an admission that the LGBTQ agenda to change bathroom use has serious problems that need to be addressed.
No change in bathroom use is being proposed. Transgender people have been using the bathroom of their assigned gender for decades. There are serious problems in play.
Now I have given my answer. Can you answer my questions, please? We disagree on what the problems are, clearly. I'd like to understand the perspective of those that have the 'anxieties' you express.
If a person can't get away with using the bathroom of choice and freaks out little kids or other human beings, there is a problem.
Is that it?
That's what transgender people are doing, Faith. There comes a point during transitioning between appearances when the transgender person feels it is no longer appropriate to use the bathroom they used to use, so they switch. Transitioning is a years long process. I know that the media sometimes portrays it like with Caitlyn - 'suddenly' they are a woman. But it takes years of hormone treatment, voice and body language training and psychiatric consultation before most people feel comfortable going out in public and using the restroom of their gender identity. Being rich helps, but even that is often insufficient to skip past all the time.
Obviously not everyone universally agrees when a person is able to 'pass' as the person of their new gender. This is a decision, I think, best left to the transgender person and their doctors.
So let's talk about adults first. The 'bathroom bills' are at odds with your 'can get away' criteria. I don't try to pass, and I use the men's restroom - although sometimes this comes with its own dangers.
The Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act passed in the U.S. state of North Carolina in March 2016, mandates that individuals may only use restrooms and changing facilities that correspond to the sex on their birth certificates. In North Carolina, this can be changed, but only after 'gender reassignment surgery'. It is easily possibly to pass without this surgery - and it's fairly monumental (not to mention, in a private medical system - expensive) surgery. So this is a problem. Other States, and other countries, have different rules - and transgender folks from those other jurisdictions may not be able to change the name on their birth certificate - even with the surgery. So this is a problem.
Other laws have been similarly proposed. They are problems.
As for schoolchildren?
This little girl was being forced to use the little boys room. She (or her parents and lawyers) had to go to court. This is a problem. There are bills proposed, and passed in some States that would force her to use the little boys room if she lived there. Trump rolled back Federal Guidelines that state she should be able to use the little girls room, asserting that the States should decide. Meaning little girls like Coy Mathis may be allowed to use the little girls room in one State, but not another.
Gavin Grimm, a teenaged boy, is having to go to the Supreme Court because he was being forced to use the girls room at school:
"It's come down to way more than bathrooms, now. It's about treating everybody with dignity and respect and it's about equality; and its about it in a way I never understood. I think people need to understand that we all bleed the same kind of blood" - Gavin's mother.
"I can't speak for everybody, but there are things that need to be spoken about" - Gavin
You might benefit from Jon Oliver's take on this. You probably loathe him for being a liberal or something, but please take heed of the issues that transgender people are actually fighting here.
You can skip to 9 minutes in for the bathroom specific part.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 70 of 960 (801316)
03-05-2017 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Modulous
03-05-2017 12:52 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
the problem here is that I'm really not interested in this problem right now. I keep forgetting what your questions are but I think if I had an answer to them I'd have answered them, so I probably don't have an answer.
I suspect there are problems involved that we don't know about and it needs a lot more thought than we can give it here. There is obviously no problem if transgenders have been using the bathroom of their choice for years without causing a ruckus; If that's all there is to it there wouldn't be a need for special laws.
My main reaction is that I resent the attempt of a small minority to impose its specialized problems on the majority. I strongly believe that children should not have to deal with such issues. I strongly believe that children who think they are the other sex should be strongly discouraged from it, given counseling and whatever other help they need, for their sake as well as society's.
I also keep forgetting to mention that transgender "girl" who won some athletic competition or other -- wrestling? -- and I really really resent that. He's a boy. He has all the male hormones and muscle structure of a boy. Of course he can win against girls. This kind of stupidity has gone way too far.
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Faith 
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Message 71 of 960 (801317)
03-05-2017 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Dr Adequate
03-05-2017 12:32 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Hey Faith, have you noticed how in your post you repeatedly call Genomicus and his opinions "Marxist" because you disagree with them?
No, I believe he/she (despite the masculine avatar I always think of G as a female, and since he/she doesn't want to say I'm sticking to it) -- the opinions G expresses are definitely Marxist, which I suppose were crammed into her little head in university, by sixties radicals and their protgs who have been poisoning the minds of American youth for decades.
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Message 72 of 960 (801319)
03-05-2017 7:01 AM
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03-05-2017 12:52 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
I listened to a couple of the videos.
I still think if you can pass there shouldn't be a problem using the bathroom where you can fit in. So I disagree with the law that demands going where your birth sex wants you to go. Does that take care of this issue? (I don't really get why there would need to be any discussion if this is the case, however. If you can pass why is there a problem? The problem enters with freaking people out because you DON'T fit in, not if you do.)
I have a feeling there is more to this though, and that another shoe is going to drop on it soon. I don't know what, but it can't be this easy.
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Message 73 of 960 (801322)
03-05-2017 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
03-04-2017 10:03 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Faith writes:
What I want is an admission that the LGBTQ agenda to change bathroom use has serious problems that need to be addressed.
Then the first step might be for you to point out a single example of such a problem. So far no one has been able to do so.
AbE: On One For All and All in One.
In many parts of the world unisex bathrooms, public ones, are common. There is one issue that has had to be addressed in the basic design of the bathrooms but it is a minor one. Generally women don't use wall mounted urinals and men do. Some women feel uncomfortable walking past men using a wall mounted urinal and some me feel uncomfortable using a wall mounted urinal while women walk past.
The solution though is really simple. Just place a visual barrier in front of a wall of urinals so folk can walk past without seeing what's on the other side.
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Faith 
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Message 74 of 960 (801325)
03-05-2017 7:27 AM
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03-05-2017 7:11 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
That is not the case in CIVILIZED parts of the world. But of course we're headed for third world status with a pagan worldview unless Trump can pull us out of it.

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Message 75 of 960 (801327)
03-05-2017 7:33 AM
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03-05-2017 7:27 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Faith writes:
That is not the case in CIVILIZED parts of the world. But of course we're headed for third world status with a pagan worldview unless Trump can pull us out of it.
Once again, reality says you are wrong. In Europe one public bathroom for all is not really unusual.

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