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Faith 
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Message 76 of 960 (801328)
03-05-2017 7:34 AM
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03-05-2017 7:33 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Prove it.

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Message 77 of 960 (801329)
03-05-2017 7:39 AM


Leftist spin as usual on the Trump Presidency thread
On the Trump Presidency thread,
petrophysics1 writes:
Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would.
[And Percy answers:] I don't recall him saying he would run a chaotic and inept first 40 days of his presidency characterized by paranoid accusations, mean-minded actions and a nationalistic frenzy. He's to be given credit for trying to do what he said he would do, but he's doing it very poorly and incompetently whether it's immigration or trade or national defense or even just staffing his administration.
The thread should be retitled The Leftist View of the Trump Presidency.
Percy says he's not a liberal, just a good judge of craziness, but he sounds exactly like all the Leftists and doesn't care that all the people who voted for Trump disagree vehemently with his assessment.

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jar
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Message 78 of 960 (801331)
03-05-2017 7:48 AM
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03-05-2017 7:34 AM


All In.
Prove what? That there are unisex bathrooms in Europe? Sheesh.

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Message 79 of 960 (801332)
03-05-2017 7:48 AM
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03-05-2017 7:39 AM


Re: Leftist spin as usual on the Trump Presidency thread
The facts are rather clear and the Trump administration has got off to a confused start - and I doubt we've heard the last of it.
And really, why should Percy care that Trump supporters disagree ?
How many supporters do you need before all the critics are supposed to shut up ?

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Message 80 of 960 (801333)
03-05-2017 7:50 AM
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03-05-2017 7:48 AM


Re: Leftist spin as usual on the Trump Presidency thread
PaulK writes:
How many supporters do you need before all the critics are supposed to shut up ?
Thank God in the US the critics are NEVER supposed to shut up.

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Faith 
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Message 81 of 960 (801335)
03-05-2017 8:28 AM
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03-05-2017 7:48 AM


Re: Leftist spin as usual on the Trump Presidency thread
Seems to me that in the current atmosphere of rampant Trump bashing it is necessary from time to time to remind the bashers that there are lots and lots of others who vehemently oppose their assessment. Petrophysics expressed his opposition and I'm supporting it.

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Message 82 of 960 (801337)
03-05-2017 9:03 AM
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03-05-2017 6:15 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
No, I believe he/she (despite the masculine avatar I always think of G as a female, and since he/she doesn't want to say I'm sticking to it) -- the opinions G expresses are definitely Marxist, which I suppose were crammed into her little head in university, by sixties radicals and their protgs who have been poisoning the minds of American youth for decades.
And the reason you say that is in fact because he disagrees with you and not because anything he's saying can be found in the pages of Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto. You merely use the word to stigmatize people and opinions you disagree with, in which you are a typical cookie-cutter rightist.

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Message 83 of 960 (801342)
03-05-2017 10:08 AM
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03-05-2017 8:28 AM


Re: Leftist spin as usual on the Trump Presidency thread
Consider us reminded that Trump supporters are partisan loons who refuse to hear he truth and that Trump was elected as a stupid joke. Which makes as much sense as any explanation of how he won.

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Message 84 of 960 (801344)
03-05-2017 10:40 AM
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03-05-2017 2:20 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
I keep forgetting what your questions are but I think if I had an answer to them I'd have answered them, so I probably don't have an answer.
If you don't have an answer to them, why make statements such as 'it's a social situation no child should be forced to experience' and 'their anxiety about it is natural'. Do you find yourself regularly saying things without knowing why you are saying them or what you are basing it off? Here are the questions, summarised from Message 41
What's the problem with children using a bathroom with a transgender person? How do you know the anxiety is natural? How is it not about fear but it is about anxiety? Why can we not educate people away from these anxieties? Why come up with a solution different than one that has worked before? Boys, girls, men, women have for centuries shared bathroom and bathing facilities without anxieties or fears - I see no reason we are incapable of doing it again.
Where should transgendered people go to the bathroom while you are complaining about solutions not being good enough?
I suspect there are problems involved that we don't know about and it needs a lot more thought than we can give it here.
I've thought about these issues for 30 years, Faith. There are no other problems. Your suspicions that there are other problems is based on nothing, except perhaps the fact that 'your side' insists that problems exist.
There is obviously no problem if transgenders have been using the bathroom of their choice for years without causing a ruckus; If that's all there is to it there wouldn't be a need for special laws.
Exactly - there isn't a need for special laws. It's the Republicans that are introducing them! If you agree they are unnecessary you are agreeing with the liberals. The only laws the liberals are proposing are laws that make the unnecessary and harmful laws unlawful to enact, to make these unnecessary and harmful policies in public businesses unlawful to enforce. The liberals only do this as a reaction to the Republicans make a big fuss out of nothing.
So you see, as you get educated on this matter, you end up agreeing there is little to fear, little to be anxious about. That's why I think education is the solution.
My main reaction is that I resent the attempt of a small minority to impose its specialized problems on the majority.
They are not doing this.
I strongly believe that children should not have to deal with such issues.
Very few do. I strongly believe children should not have to deal with bullying, but it still happens. I strongly believe children should not have to deal with cancer, but it happens. I had to deal with these issues, but I had to do it alone. A child, trying to deal with these issues without support, guidance, without help. You don't want that do you?
I strongly believe that children who think they are the other sex should be strongly discouraged from it, given counseling and whatever other help they need, for their sake as well as society's.
That's pretty much what happens right now, and is indeed the liberals position. We may differ on what 'strongly discouraged' means - but regardless doctors do essentially put children who are insistent 'to the test'. Many of the children that go through this, decide that sex change isn't what they want. There are years and years of counselling. Transgender children should, and mostly are, going through counselling sessions with specialists into adulthood, and then once they get there, if they still wish to proceed with things once they are there - there are yet more hurdles including years of counselling and psychiatry. Despite what many Conservatives have said, it is not 'one day I decide I'm a woman and voila!'.
Of course many Republicans want to defund the medically accepted ways of treating and helping adults and children going through this traumatic and unpleasant experience. Are you beginning to see why people are upset with the Conservatives on this matter?
I also keep forgetting to mention that transgender "girl" who won some athletic competition or other -- wrestling? -- and I really really resent that. He's a boy.
1) You don't give details so I can only say that she's a girl.
2) I only know of Mack Beggs {Fox News}, who is a boy but was born a girl and won the girl's competition.
He has all the male hormones and muscle structure of a boy. Of course he can win against girls.
Mack Beggs was born as a girl, but yes - he has male muscle structure and hormones because as part of his treatment he takes testosterone and oestrogen blockers. So of course he has an advantage against girls. As he and all the liberals were saying. Conservative forces, however, insist that despite having male musculature on the back of male hormones he must wrestle girls.
A transgender girl may take testosterone blockers and oestrogen. Which would give her a disadvantage against boys on the grounds she has female musculature and female hormones.
Here is an Infowars article on it in case Fox News is too mainstream.
This kind of stupidity has gone way too far.
That's what we liberals are saying! It's stupid to force a little girl to use the little boys room. It's stupid to force a strong teenage boy to wrestle teenage girls in competition. And yet this is what Conservative, right-wing rules are insisting should happen.
I'm glad to see you turning around on this issue.
I still think if you can pass there shouldn't be a problem using the bathroom where you can fit in.
Great.
So I disagree with the law that demands going where your birth sex wants you to go. Does that take care of this issue?
Sort of. It's still the right-wing that is proposing these laws. You should speak up against them along with us liberals rather than calling us loonie liberals.
I don't really get why there would need to be any discussion if this is the case, however. If you can pass why is there a problem?
Yes, we liberals have been trying to explain this to right-wing Conservatives for years. You should ask them. There is a reasonable chance some of your elected representative are sponsoring or have even passed a bill on the claims there is a problem. Write to them.
I have a feeling there is more to this though, and that another shoe is going to drop on it soon. I don't know what, but it can't be this easy.
It really is as easy as that. It's taxpayers time and money being wasted on enacting these laws, and then defending them in court. There are women who were born women who have been challenged on their way into the bathroom because people think they might have been born a man. Imagine the humiliation of that happening to you!

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Message 85 of 960 (801345)
03-05-2017 10:51 AM
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03-05-2017 10:40 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
Mod writes:
There are women who were born women who have been challenged on their way into the bathroom because people think they might have been born a man.
I had an aunt that had a mustache that would have given Chester Arthur an inferiority complex.

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Message 86 of 960 (801348)
03-05-2017 11:03 AM
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03-05-2017 2:20 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
I also keep forgetting to mention that transgender "girl" who won some athletic competition or other -- wrestling? -- and I really really resent that. He's a boy. He has all the male hormones and muscle structure of a boy. Of course he can win against girls. This kind of stupidity has gone way too far.
Yeah, you've got this the wrong way round. He is a trans boy. He says that he should be wrestling with the boys. Conservatives insist that his male hormones and muscle structure count for nothing, and that he should be competing against girls. And yes, this kind of stupidity has gone way too far. So how about you guys stop?

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Message 87 of 960 (801355)
03-05-2017 1:39 PM
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03-04-2017 11:12 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Faith writes:
If a person can't get away with using the bathroom of choice and freaks out little kids or other human beings, there is a problem.
I'm a borderline human being. I'm freaked out by sharing a (public) bathroom with anybody. I have shared a (public) bathroom with a trans person and he or she (whichever he or she prefers) freaks me out less than most. I'm guessing that he or she is more freaked out than I am and I hope I'm not adding to the freak-out.

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Message 88 of 960 (801361)
03-05-2017 2:25 PM
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03-04-2017 11:12 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
If a person can't get away with using the bathroom of choice and freaks out little kids or other human beings, there is a problem.
What is scary is how the person behaves more than what they look like. I've seen some weird people that made me edgy.
So the solution IMHO is unisex bathrooms and private stalls and private showers with attached change area.
Washing hands is not a sexual behavior last time I checked. Just being in a room is no different than being in any other room.
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Message 89 of 960 (801364)
03-05-2017 3:13 PM
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03-05-2017 11:03 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
I also keep forgetting to mention that transgender "girl" who won some athletic competition or other -- wrestling? -- and I really really resent that. He's a boy. He has all the male hormones and muscle structure of a boy. Of course he can win against girls. This kind of stupidity has gone way too far.
Yeah, you've got this the wrong way round. He is a trans boy. He says that he should be wrestling with the boys. Conservatives insist that his male hormones and muscle structure count for nothing, and that he should be competing against girls. And yes, this kind of stupidity has gone way too far. So how about you guys stop?
That's interesting. I guess it would be more fair if he competed with boys, but then because he was originally a girl he'd be at a disadvantage because hormone replacement isn't perfect is it?
Are we in some kind of epidemic of transgenderness these days?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 90 of 960 (801365)
03-05-2017 3:14 PM
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03-05-2017 12:16 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
I'm talking about Political Correctness which is an arsenal of weapons used in the war against everybody who disagrees with them. Not the occasional epithet somebody on the right slings at a leftist in the heat of argument. There is no organized weaponry of character assassination on the right, but it is organized, systematic, virulent and practiced on the Left.
First, of course, I must highlight the irony -- as Dr. A did -- of suggesting that the right has no organized weaponry of character assassination, when your whole response could be used as a case study in the art of character assassination.
And you're wrong, of course: the right has its own armory of political correctness. That's why UNM professor Richard Berthold received death threats and was pressured to retire because of an "unpatriotic" quip he made to his class on 9/11; Mohammad Rahat of the University of Miami was suspended and fired from his university job; Jonnie Hargis of UCLA was suspended for an email critical of U.S. policy in Iraq and Israel; Columbia University professor Nicholas de Genova was roundly criticized by the public and members of the U.S. House of Representatives for his antiwar comments; and on and on.
This just a small sampling of the political correctness that the right seeks to enforce. This does not take into consideration the broader, historical "political correctness" from right-wing America, which was used, e.g., in the 90s to fire and suspend university faculty for presenting material that discussed homosexuality and gay rights.
And, of course, the right-wing can rely on more than just character assassination: if they don't like what you're saying, they can just deport you (e.g., the case of Daniela Vargas). This is all a rather far-cry from Horowitz's bizarre, truth-inverting portrayal of right-wingers as preferring a more analytical, "accountant style" of discussion.
Godzilla uses words to kill, Bambi answers with analysis of problems.
Nothing about Milo Yiannopoulos' speeches at universities are "analyses of problems." They are, instead, emotionally-laden and fact-free content that urge people to "purge local illegals" from campus by reporting them to ICE. In fact, Milo Yiannopoulos' and his fanboys routinely use character assassination and shaming to silence and intimidate e.g. trans folks.
Racism is a weapon the left uses against political opponents.
No, racism is a system of power and (unearned) privilege afforded to one racial group of people to the detriment of other racial groups.
If it weren't for the Left continually stirring the pot we could almost consider ourselves the colorblind nation MLK envisioned.
No, the problem isn't the Left. The problem is racism. And racism-blind people like you who, because of your white privilege and apparent incapacity to break through your delusions, are blind to the systems and institutions which continue to uphold and enforce racism.
This is mostly Marxist ideology/false analysis, though Modulous on the other thread has shown some reality to it. More Marxist talking points. No, it shows that I have respect for the laws that hold a nation together instead of allowing people to destroy it. MLK's methods worked.
No, you have respect for laws that systematically give you unearned advantage.
Malcolm X's methods worked.
Sure, and the American revolutionaries of the 1700s were also a band of murdering thugs.
That's a vicious evil lie. Vile pernicious ignorance of history. How dare you.
Are you done with your "OMG-that's-so-vile-I'm-going-to-throw-up" routine?
If you consider the Black Panther Party just a "band of murdering thugs," then one can consider the American revolutionaries a band of murdering thugs, too. I mean, I'm sure John Roberts -- a loyalist Charleston minister who was tarred, feathered, and murdered by an American revolutionary mob -- would agree with me on that.
Where are you getting your bogus evil history? The Black Panthers were self-serving thugs.
No, the Black Panther Party was fighting a system of racial injustice that routinely disenfranchised and killed black folks.
You know what he meant, you just want to engender hatred against him and his supporters.
Yes, I do know what he meant. He meant that when Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.
That's what he meant. Do you know what he meant?
Meaning of course that the Left is about as bad mannered as you can get and civil people can't win against them without adopting their methods.
The "civilized" right prefers to deport, incarcerate, and kill the people they don't care for. I mean, who needs to be bad-mannered when you can just deport, incarcerate, and kill the people who don't fit the dimensions of your ideology, right?
Get off your high horse, get off your Offended Wounded Victim horse.
Lol.
No, that paragraph is just Marxist lies. Nobody has "demonized" ILLEGAL ALIENS (which is what "undocumented immigrants" are in Reality), and the ignorance and bigotry are all yours sweetheart. I hope you choke on it.
Yes, Trump has demonized undocumented immigrants. Milo has demonized undocumented immigrants. John Arpaio has demonized undocumented immigrants.
But you're not undocumented, so you wouldn't know what that routine, systematic demonization is like.
I'm sorry, you're a liar and a lunatic as well as an idiot.
Wat.
Learn something about Islam.
I know that Islam is a multifaceted, non-monolithic religion with hundreds of millions of people around the world with vastly different beliefs and social structures. I know that none of the many Muslims I personally know are seeking to kill me or convert me, despite the fact that I am not Muslim. I know that these Muslims have close friends in the LGBTQ+ community, in the Christian community, in the non-religious community, and many are strongly feminist.
So what do you know about Islam?
Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.

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