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Modulous
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Message 31 of 146 (801611)
03-08-2017 1:17 PM
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03-08-2017 5:07 AM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
a true Islam that is violent, those who follow the true Islam of Mohammed are violent. The Wahhabis, and now ISIS is the true inheritor of true Islam, resurrected the Califate which had lasted 1400 years, ending in 1924.
Congratulations, you've just helped the jihadists and ultra-conservatives in their cause through your affirmation. Nice work.
Forgot to mention she announced their annual "Hitler Youth Week." Woops. Why are our universities allowing such things> Milos Yiannopolis is persona non grata but Hitler Youth Week is OK?
*facepalm* "Hitler Youth Week" was the slanderous characterisation used by Horowitz that she was quoting him on. The actual event was "Justice in Palestine Week".
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Message 32 of 146 (801612)
03-08-2017 1:20 PM
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03-08-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Does it make it easier to recognize radical religious groups and the environments that spawn them if they are less than 50 years ago or something?
I dunno, but it makes them more relevant.
What's the point of comparing dead jews to modern muslims?
Also, some of the examples happened in the last year (for instance forcing religious modesty norms on women, segregation on planes, spitting at little girls and calling them whores).
That's almost as bad as murdering people...

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Modulous
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Message 33 of 146 (801613)
03-08-2017 1:37 PM
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03-08-2017 1:20 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
I dunno, but it makes them more relevant.
To what?
What's the point of comparing dead jews to modern muslims?
I'm comparing radical and violent religiopolitical views and actions. Because the topic is about the difference between non radical and radical Islam I thought it useful to show the difference between another religious group that has had radical and violent elements in it. The time those elements existed hardly seems particularly relevant.
Also, some of the examples happened in the last year (for instance forcing religious modesty norms on women, segregation on planes, spitting at little girls and calling them whores).
That's almost as bad as murdering people...
I know, right? It's almost as if when some people go around saying that when Muslim immigrants do these things it is evidence of Islamic migration is destroying our culture are engaging in hyperbole and fearmongering. Damn - it's almost if I was trying to set that kind of point up by utilizing a group Conservatives are less inclined to criticize.
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A Muslim could say that we should treat women equally, but that isn't anything that is inherent to Islam.
Ask Pastor Stephen Anderson and you'll find him saying that it isn't a tenet of Christianity. Ask the Haredi jews and you'll see they say that isn't a tenet of Judaism.

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Message 34 of 146 (801614)
03-08-2017 1:50 PM
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03-08-2017 1:17 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
She's right, Wahhabiism and ISIS represent the true Islam of Mohammed.; She made the point. Most sane people know this already.
Oh, too bad I missed Horowitz's clever characterization, and of course he's right, "Justice in Palestine Week" promoted by the MSA is certainly well translated as "Hitler Youth Week." Clever of him.

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jar
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Message 35 of 146 (801616)
03-08-2017 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
03-08-2017 1:50 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
She's right, Wahhabiism and ISIS represent the true Islam of Mohammed.; She made the point. Most sane people know this already.
Well no Faith, she's not right and no sane person would believe her. For Mohammed, Jews and Christians are not infidels and are people of the Book since all three religions worship the same God. Most sane honest people know this already.
Faith writes:
Oh, too bad I missed Horowitz's clever characterization, and of course he's right, "Justice in Palestine Week" promoted by the MSA is certainly well translated as "Hitler Youth Week." Clever of him.
Only a bigot and liar would translate that like that.

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Message 36 of 146 (801619)
03-08-2017 2:01 PM
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03-08-2017 1:57 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Obviously you didn't bother to listen to her talk.

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Faith 
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Message 37 of 146 (801621)
03-08-2017 2:02 PM
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Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Only a leftist character assassin would call him a liar and a bigot.

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Message 38 of 146 (801624)
03-08-2017 2:03 PM
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03-08-2017 2:01 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
YObviously you didn't bother to listen to her talk.
You are correct. You see I actually know what Mohammad believed and the history of the Caliphate and don't need stupid videos.

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Message 39 of 146 (801625)
03-08-2017 2:04 PM
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03-08-2017 2:02 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Or someone who was sane and honest.

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Message 40 of 146 (801626)
03-08-2017 2:06 PM
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03-08-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
To what?
The, according to the OP, issue that keeps coming up.
What's the deal with all these radical muslims?
"The jews were bad too 80 years ago" doesn't seem very relevant to me.
I'm comparing radical and violent religiopolitical views and actions.
You disguised a bunch of jewish violence as being muslim and then made it a big joke.
Sorry for not getting it.
Because the topic is about the difference between non radical and radical Islam I thought it useful to show the difference between another religious group that has had radical and violent elements in it.
That seems disingenuous, but I suppose it could be a fruitful effort. So, what?
The time those elements existed hardly seems particularly relevant.
Depends on the goal, but I suppose I'm missing the point.
I know, right?
Sorry, the pic is blocked. I'll see it later.
It's almost as if when some people go around saying that when Muslim immigrants do these things it is evidence of Islamic migration is destroying our culture are engaging in hyperbole and fearmongering. Damn - it's almost if I was trying to set that kind of point up by utilizing a group Conservatives are less inclined to criticize.
Well it went over my head.
And I still don't how 80 year old jewish violence should matter in a discussion about muslim violence today.
"There's some muslims being bad, what's that about?"
"Yeah, well the jews were bad too!"
"Okay, so there's some muslims being bad, what's that about?"
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A Muslim could say that we should treat women equally, but that isn't anything that is inherent to Islam.
Ask Pastor Stephen Anderson and you'll find him saying that it isn't a tenet of Christianity. Ask the Haredi jews and you'll see they say that isn't a tenet of Judaism.
Radical!

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Message 41 of 146 (801629)
03-08-2017 2:09 PM
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03-08-2017 2:03 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
As she recounted the history -- and you can get this history in many places, she didn't make it up -- go listen to the first few minutes where she says the first twelve years of Islam were peaceful because Mohammed couldn't get more than a few family members to buy it. Then he got the bright idea of getting Jews to accept it, so he said nice things about the Jews, called them the People of the Book, and he added stuff to the Koran from the Old Testament, also added some Jewish laws to his religion, such as not eating pork, praying twice a day, fasting on a special religious holiday etc. Trying to make it appeal to the Jews of the city of Medina. When they refused it he slaughtered them. He went on slaughtering. That's how Islam became a religion of hating Jews and Christians, turning them into dhimmis etc. You really should learn a few things about Islam.
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Modulous
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Message 42 of 146 (801630)
03-08-2017 2:19 PM
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03-08-2017 2:06 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
The, according to the OP, issue that keeps coming up.
What's the deal with all these radical muslims?
"The jews were bad too 80 years ago" doesn't seem very relevant to me.
My point wasn't that 'the jews were bad too 80 years ago'. My point was, as I said, to highlight what the deal with radical religious types is. Political context, social forces of a certain time and place. That stuff that we use today to understand the Irgun's and IRA's of yesterday.
You disguised a bunch of jewish violence as being muslim and then made it a big joke.
Sorry for not getting it.
No problem. The entire point was that some people wouldn't get it, so that I could explain to them that the takeaway of Irgun should not be Judaism is intrinsically bad, and can erupt in violence at any time therefore we should be fearful and suspicious of Jews but instead that socio-political forces can turn people violent and their religion is merely a framework they use to justify their violence. So don't apologize, thank you for taking the step that allowed me to do this.
That seems disingenuous, but I suppose it could be a fruitful effort. So, what?
Have you ever noticed that religious extremists always seem to have temporal grievances like territorial and community safety/integrity concerns at their root, rather than a specific religion?
Maybe that's what the 'deal is' with 'all these radical muslims'?
Depends on the goal, but I suppose I'm missing the point.
The goal is to discuss the origins and motivations for radical extremists of all colours, but particularly those of a religious group.
Sorry, the pic is blocked. I'll see it later.
It's a silly gif indicating essentially 'yes good point': don't fret.
And I still don't how 80 year old jewish violence should matter in a discussion about muslim violence today.
‘Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.’
Understanding why humans acted before matters when trying to understand why they are acting in a similar way today. Is this point really that subtle?

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Message 43 of 146 (801631)
03-08-2017 2:20 PM
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03-08-2017 2:09 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Faith writes:
You are an ignoramus. As she recounted the history -- and you can get this history in many places, she didn't make it up -- go listen to the first few minutes where she says the first twelve years of Islam were peaceful because Mohammed couldn't get more than a few family members to buy it. Then he got the bright idea of getting Jews to accept it, so he said nice things about the Jews, called them the People of the Book, and he added stuff to the Koran from the Old Testament, also added some Jewish laws to his religion, such as not eating pork, praying twice a day, fasting on a special religious holiday etc. Trying to make it appeal to the Jews of the city of Medina.
Faith, that is what she asserts happened not what actually happened. She is simply like all apologists making shit up.
Faith writes:
When they refused it he slaughtered them. He went on slaughtering. That's how Islam became a religion of hating Jews and Christians, turning them into dhimmis etc. You really should learn a few things about Islam.
Again Faith, that is simply made up shit and reality and facts and honesty totally refute it.
When Christianity was burning Jews and driving them from their homes it was the Muslim Caliphate that sent ships to rescue them. The Jews and Muslims lived together for over a thousand years with the Muslims actually guaranteeing the safe passage of Christians and Jews to visit the Sacred Shrines of the Middle east and to protect those holy places.
Your problem is you listen to videos from all the nutjobs out there.
Go to a mosque. Sit down with the Imam and actually learn something.

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Modulous
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Message 44 of 146 (801635)
03-08-2017 2:24 PM
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03-08-2017 1:50 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
She's right, Wahhabiism and ISIS represent the true Islam of Mohammed.
Still doing the terrorist recruiters work for them? I'm sure that'll work out well.
Oh, too bad I missed Horowitz's clever characterization
I think the word you are looking for, to quote you, is 'Woops.'
Clever of him.
Of course, when the right uses innuendo and slander to smear Muslims it's clever. When the left do it to Christians, its disgusting. I didn't expect any less from you.

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Faith 
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Message 45 of 146 (801640)
03-08-2017 2:36 PM
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03-08-2017 2:24 PM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
Fake news there. Telling the truth, and resisting the Muslim narrative does not recruit Muslims, it gets them to back off. You guys are such patsies.
I don't think "innuendo" is the word for what Horowitz did. But what he did was truthful, unlike the anti-Christian stuff you are talking about. It was truthful and clever, and even funny.

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