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Message 757 of 993 (801858)
03-10-2017 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 756 by NoNukes
03-10-2017 12:22 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
The idea that we can't discriminate against NONCITIZENS OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY on the basis of anything we like, including "religion" is crazeeeeee. And "religion" is a term that Islam doesn't deserve anyway because it's nothing but a totalitarian political ideology that seeks to rule the world whether it has to do it by murdering all dissenters as Mohammed did all the Jews in Medina, or by immigration and growing their population, or whatever tactic comes to hand. After Medina the method of choice was slaughtering its way through most of the world at the time. The Constitution does not support national suicide.
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Message 759 of 993 (801866)
03-10-2017 3:55 AM
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03-10-2017 3:20 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
Yes, because it doesn't matter what "legal" justification anyone can make up for it, such a justification can only be Leftist revisionism, as so much else in our justice system is these days, possibly following globalist orders to destroy the nation, and "crazeeee" is the only apt response to it.

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Message 761 of 993 (801873)
03-10-2017 4:52 AM
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03-10-2017 4:33 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
The case we are discussing will be decided in a court of law. Neither side is likely to make idiotic arguments that Islam is not a religion, so I guess both sides are engaging in "Leftist revisionism"
Oh for sure. But it would help if someone argued that the Constitution doesn't protect the "religion" of outsiders if it has violent goals and methods it seeks to use against the nation's people. If that isn't argued either, that's just another expression of Leftist revisionism.
Got anything more helpful to add?
Not really. What I've said ought to be quite helpful if properly appreciated.

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Message 763 of 993 (801882)
03-10-2017 6:23 AM
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03-10-2017 5:11 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
I hope our new AG is enough up on Constitutional law to know where it was affirmed that even a religion has no rights if it advocates overthrowing the government.

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Message 768 of 993 (801891)
03-10-2017 6:52 AM
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03-10-2017 6:28 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
So give them due process,k what does that have to do with the right to discriminate against them? Duh. But as I understand it from previous discussions of this point, that promise of due process is only for those already in the country.* We don't owe outside foreigners anything except of course bgasic human rights.
abe: * Already in the country, that is, "By favor" in Madison's words, meaning not illegally.
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Faith 
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Message 770 of 993 (801893)
03-10-2017 7:01 AM
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03-10-2017 7:00 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
No, you are just logic-challenged as usual.

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Message 782 of 993 (805995)
04-22-2017 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 780 by Dredge
04-21-2017 10:46 PM


Islam is a dangerous, violently intolerant, totalitarian cult. But to ban the import of this cult is a sin against equality, the core doctrine of the religion of cultural Marxism. Madness, but popular for some strange reason.
Yes, why is it so popular? And how can anyone defend it on the ground of religious freedom/equality when it is in fact a totalitarian cult? The US Constitution does NOT protect that.
In the news recently was the story of a heavily armed Muslim man at a Christian conference making a video in his car saying "be terrified" among other things. That's all he did so he wasn't arrested although I think anyone else would have been. Apparently the main thing that provoked him was that there was an ex-Muslim speaker at the conference.
But hey, Islam is a religion of peace. And the liberals are going to keep on saying that when there are thousands upon thousands of their victims lying in the streets in their blood.
Heavily Armed Muslim Man Attends Christian Conference On Facebook Video, Says 'Be Terrified' - CBS Los Angeles
Muslim Not Arrested For Showing 3 Pistols & 2 Assault Weapons in Threatening Video From Parking Lot of A Worldview Weekend | Worldview Weekend Broadcast Network

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Message 784 of 993 (806001)
04-22-2017 3:27 AM
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04-22-2017 3:14 AM


Looks like a great argument for gun control to me.
Looks like a great argument for more armed citizens to me. I wonder how many at the conference were armed.
It's the areas that ban guns that are always targeted by the killers.

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Message 785 of 993 (806006)
04-22-2017 8:02 AM
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04-22-2017 3:14 AM


Should have said it's an argument for extreme vetting of Muslim candidates for entrance to the country, that being the topic of the thread. This was an ordinary Muslim guy, so far with no hint of ties to jihadis or jihadist training (I guess that could be shown eventually of course). Just an ordinary Muslim American guy who wants to serve Allah by killing some infidels. But of course Islam is a religion of peace.

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Message 787 of 993 (806010)
04-22-2017 8:35 AM
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04-22-2017 8:23 AM


This has been answered a million times already. How you hold on to that vicious canard I don't know. It's certainly not justified. Funny how you all whitewash Islam or try to tar Christianity with the same brush. Of course confusing the RCC of the Inquisition with Christianity allows you to convince yourselves I guess, but such distinctions escape you. And where have you seen Buddhists go around killing people for Buddha? Etc.
Even you know if you give it half a thought that the biggest killers aside from Islam and the RCC (not "religion") are Communism and Fascism and other "secular" totalitarian political views. These days in America it's the Left and the Anarchists who are the instigators of violence and suppression of free speech. Analogous to the early days of the brownshirts perhaps.
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Faith 
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Message 789 of 993 (806013)
04-22-2017 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 788 by Larni
04-22-2017 8:45 AM


Re: wondering
You miss the point of course.
I was thinking about your adorable baby recently. The picture is no longer there. Have any new ones to put up?
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Faith 
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Message 791 of 993 (806018)
04-22-2017 9:28 AM
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04-22-2017 9:24 AM


You mean the Anglican Church? Or which "English Protestant Church?"
If the Anglican, they inherited most of their property from the RCC didn't they?
Great wealth is certainly contrary to the spirit of Christ. At least if it is hoarded and not used for His purposes.
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Faith 
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Message 793 of 993 (806024)
04-22-2017 10:08 AM
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04-22-2017 10:04 AM


Well it's true there is every kind of apostasy these days and televangelism is one of them. But you didn't answer: the Church of England acquired its property from the RCC when they split, didn't it?
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Message 803 of 993 (806099)
04-23-2017 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 801 by Larni
04-23-2017 1:48 AM


Re: wondering
It's the ideology of Islam that preaches the killing of nonMuslims that is the reason they kill, not anything about what kind of people they are.

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Message 804 of 993 (806106)
04-23-2017 2:50 AM
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04-22-2017 2:57 PM


Re: Missing the point
Islam isn't so popular. What is popular is protecting people's right to their beliefs and protecting them from being punished for something other people are doing.
It's Islam itself that is inspiring the killings. A "right to their beliefs" when those beliefs prescribe killing nonMuslims is not a right granted by the Constitution. Those who are protecting them are putting the whole nation at risk -- putting all Europe at risk too. It's all these liberal politically correct do-gooders who have the ultimate responsibility for everyone murdered by Islamists. Islam isn't partial to liberals; liberals are going to die too. It's hard to believe this sort of suicidal insanity is going on.

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