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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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quote: Do you know that you can easily (in New York anyway) find LOTS of "illegal" immigrants who actually served LEGALLY in the U.S. military? I think I have personally known these types of people in every state I have lived in. I have to think a little. I knew many in South Carolina for example. I know of many right now here in N. Y. City. Yup, I sure do. Right now.
quote: You also said Democrats caused welfare benefits to exist, which - in your opinion - should disqualify immigrants from having the right to come here (or something). Democrats also brought about forced segregation in 1896, which, among other factors, caused a "Great Migration" of blacks to leave the south for northern states from 1930 to 1970. But before slavery ended, the constitutional definition of what makes a citizen didn't cover people who were simply born here. That changed after the Civil War. The 14th amendment clarified language previously interpreted differently. There were major changes in the 1950s and 60s as well when it came to constitutional interpretation and clarification.
quote: I wondered that if welfare programs were ended, then would you find another excuse. Now drugs are an issue. If they were made illegal, would you still not be complaining and making further excuses to make your argument? Don't most economists agree that those who left the South for the North (in the Great Migration) made higher wages than if they remained? (Welfare aside) Also, the North became much larger (and richer) than the South because of the flood of immigrants from after 1800. In 1800 the population was under 5 million but it was over 75 million by 1870. The Irish settled in both the North and South, but Germans settled mainly in the North. Germans were anti-slavery. They settled in Western Maryland and helped flip that states position by the time of the Civil War. They settled in northern Virginia and that caused the split that resulted in West Virginia. Their settlement in the mountain chains that run down Tennessee and Kentucky too. ADDITIONALLY(relative to your "movement of money out of the country" issues) Trump is placing a 25% (or 20%, I forget) tax on all imports coming into the country, so we will see how the destruction of foreign economies (like Japan) helps our finances. Nice to see how this $120 billion tax on Americans helps too. (Just like conservative estimates by the CBO show that removing all illegal immigrants will reduce the economy by 1.2% by 2020, while many think it is a good thing) We will see evidence of these claims that foreign people (inside and outside the U.S.) and their money somehow hurt us. You won't blame the shadowy "international bankers" when interest rates rise on our massive $20 trillion debt and we get a real disaster on our hands? Will you hold nationalistic policies responsible? Will YOU take responsibility for your own policy preferences becoming actual REAL WORLD policy and thus affecting the outcomes (for better or for worse)?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: The Roman Empire fell due to extreme intolerance. Less than 100 years after Orthodox Christianity was imposed. They ran people out faster than they could kill everybody.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I am presently not in possession of a computer and my phone is so small that I can't reAlly type much. I am Yauch a friends online which is larger but still tough. Little touch screen keys. World Book Encyclopedia ARIANISM Quote The Council of Council of Constantinople condemned Arianism as heresy in 381 and it quickly disappeared within the Roman Empire. But followers of Arianism remained active outside the Empire. Arian missionaries converted the German tribes of Northern Europe to Christianity during the 300s and 400s. After these tribes invaded the Roman Empire, they reintroduced Arianism. CLOSE QUOTE ...... Now in 395 the declining Roman Empire split in Eastern and western Halfs. The Arian Alaric invaded Italy in 401and took Rome in 410. This typing is too difficult but I can suggest that folks study the Persian invasions of Palestine from 614 to 638 and thehuge Jewish forces allied to invade Asia Minor and Syria. Western Roman Empire fell due to Syrian Christian forces supporting Arab Muslim invaders from within. Look at invasion of Egypt and Coptic issues. This is my last attempt to use phone. Later.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
World Book Encyclopedia AFRICA. QUOTE AGermanic tribe called the Vandals invaded the empire during the 400s. The tribe followed an outlawed Christian belief called Arianism. The Vandals ended Roman rule along most of the north coast. END QUOTE. Now a new book. THE MIDDLE AGES VOLUME II. Quote. what Gibbon referred to as the world's great debate will never end because we lack the evidence for a real solution. For the whole period from the third to the ninth century there are gaps.... Too much of the research so far has been done by specialists in western history using the evidence of western Europe and viewing the problemthrough western eyes. For a truer perspective there must be greater focus on Arab and Byzantine evidence. END QUOTE. Now the context wasn't the fall of Rome here in the latter quote but the methodology applies equally. Rome ran out pacifists like Manichean's and more militant heretics alike. The latter were the bigger Problem.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Do you understand that you have a situation from 400 to 600 when the Pope marked arians for death while various local emperors were the hated Arians themselves NOT TO MENTION MUCH
rOMAN POPULATION. WHat was the adhesive NoNukes has to deny that this was in effect the insurmountable PROBLEM
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
It seems that nobody here understands that population was on the severe decline in the time before 410 and it only got much much worse after. I don't know how to do quotes on a phone, plus typing is very hard. Web surfing is harder too. I will back up my claims with sources that pagans Manichean's and Ariana were expelled after 380 but somehow I think the evidence will be lost on this group. Monday perhaps
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Notice that Theodoric expressed agreement with Jar when he told me my Roman Empire stuff is off topic. AMAZING since I initially only posted a small post of a few sentences, in response to Marc, then was attacked in no less than 3 posts by Theodoric and NoNukes. They have kept posting ever since. Even after post 136 and the Theodoric avreement click. Amazing. Just amazing. I always considered much complAining around here to be sneaky and tactical but this is blatantly obvious to the extreme.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Faith it is mainstream for historians to attribute the losses of the 7th centuHHafizheretic century to heretic Christians getting fed up with persecution by their Orthodox mastersTTheat that doesn't mean people here know it though. To
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I will start a thread that fully and decisively makes my case. sometime.
quote: I don't accept that Catholics and Protestants are anything but anti-Christian. The "Pagan Roman Empire" before Constantine tolerated the real Christians (and even Catholics were tolerated mostly). Circumcised Jewish Christians were tolerated before 313 in the West and 325 in the East. They were an old faith that wasn't required to worship the Roman Gods. 380 was a turning point against (the non-Catholic)Christians. Here will be a few quotes to show what I am getting at. First an old (flawed view). From the old Cambridge Ancient History.
quote: He is talking about the post 380 period
quote: Now 5 myths covered by the Washington Post
quote: Gibbon is responsible for so many lies and confusion. I don't have time to disambiguate. See page 378 for J.B. Bury offering contradictions to his earlier claim that there were no Arians in the Empire and that dohttp://penelope.uchicago.edu/...ts/secondary/BURLAT/11*.html quote: See this.
quote: I'm having trouble finding the 376-382 war against the Goths but Goths ended up being settled in Rome in large numbers and they were Arians. Also Rome fell in Spain and France around 415-420 and Africa fell in 430. Arianism was a major cause of conflict as Catholics outlawed it but after 430 there was freedom in the Empire. The Theodosian Emperors outlawed Arianism and were fanatical about it. They got worse and worse. from 380 to 455. I'll make a better case in a new thread. it will be a lot longer. And have lot of quotes and sources showing the incredible Gothic presence in the Western Empire plus have quotes showing the Arian issu to be important.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
My point is related to your link from post 139. That link claimed that the post Constantine or 313 Roman Empire brougbt freedom to Christianity which should, by now, be seen as a lie. It brought persecution AND persecution AND more persecution to Christians. Hence the reason for the 395 splitting of the Empire. I also reject the idea that the German immigrants werabscessv savages who weren't supporttheaoc I can't type I keep getting words deleted
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
"a lot of this number have nothing to do with the fall of the Western Empire " -PaulK ***************** "But the west took quite a beating too, and I bet you didn't know any of this" -Faith- ****** ******************* Actually Justinian and rTheordia (Byzantine Emperors ) financed bigoted wars against the Arian kingdoms, in the former Western Roman Empire, by stealing slave ransom money from Byzantine citizens around 530 AD . The Barbarians won their lands back but there was severe damage. ******************* THE ORIGINS OF THE MIDDLE AGES by Bruce Lyon (W. W. Norton ) "Despite the German conquests with their turmoil and new political arrangements, no new civilization arose because the Germans were generally willing to partake of the Mediterranean and the unity upon which it depended.. ... after 600 Italy lay prostrate with the Ostrogothic kingdom destroyed by Justinian's unfortunate attempt to reconquer the West, that all the lands ringing the Mediterranean, except for some in southern Europe, we're under Arab dominion "
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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