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Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
Dr Adequate
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Message 56 of 936 (802361)
03-15-2017 5:59 PM
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03-15-2017 7:25 AM


Re: Very Late Reply
Also, how do you quantify genetic information?
He doesn't. It's a subjective quality like beauty.

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Message 74 of 936 (803225)
03-27-2017 3:17 PM
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03-27-2017 1:53 PM


Re: Very Late Reply, and simply wrong
If what you just quoted and said is true shouldn't there be a complete trail of the different changes visible today in the fossil record?
Hey, ICANT, fun fact: we haven't yet looked at all the fossils in the fossil record. Yeah, that's right, crazy though it may seem we haven't split open all the sedimentary rocks and looked inside them.
Which is what Darwin said would exist.
No it isn't.
If what you say is correct why does the fossil record show times of new life forms without a connection to previous life forms, that has been called punctuated equilibrium?
That's actually called something you made up.
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Message 77 of 936 (803248)
03-27-2017 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by CRR
03-27-2017 6:45 PM


The fossil record has been explored extensively since then and the transitional fossils are still not there.
You made that up.
Instead the fossil record shows sudden appearance and disappearance with stasis in between. This is what Gould referred to as "the trade secret of paleontology" and the reason he and Eldridge developed the theory of Punctuated Equilibrium.
You made that up.
Darwin argued in "Origin of Species" that even in a stable environment there should still be evolution since there was always competition within the species for food and reproduction.
You made that up.
However there has never been extensive periods of stable environment and even if the abiotic environment was stable the biotic environment would be changing as predator and prey adapted to counter each other.
You made that up.
The continued lack of transitional forms in the fossil record is a slap in the face for [neo-]Darwinian evolution.
You made that up.

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Message 80 of 936 (803252)
03-27-2017 9:56 PM
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03-27-2017 8:57 PM


Re: You made that up.
Just saying "You made that up" is not an Adequate answer.
It is a perfectly adequate answer to things you made up and asserted without so much as a pretense of providing evidence.
If you have read "Origin of Species" you must have missed that bit.
I have read the Origin of Species, and moreover understood it. The ubiquity of competition does not necessarily imply that any of the selection pressures will be adaptive rather than conservative.
Here's something Darwin actually said in the Origin of Species: "The period during which each species underwent modification, though long as measured by years, was probably short in comparison with that during which it remained without undergoing any change."
But here's the rub, this thread is " How do you define the word Evolution? ". Where is your definition?
Heritable changes in a population.
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Message 81 of 936 (803253)
03-27-2017 9:57 PM
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03-27-2017 8:53 PM


Re: Some transitional fossils
Is your ridiculous nonsense about the fossil record on topic?

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Message 95 of 936 (803550)
04-02-2017 2:28 AM
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04-01-2017 9:51 PM


Re: My definition
At that time there was no intention to separate abiogenesis from evolution.
"It is mere rubbish thinking at present of the origin of life; one might as well think of the origin of matter." --- Darwin, letter to Hooker, 1871.

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Message 102 of 936 (804150)
04-07-2017 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Davidjay
04-07-2017 1:11 AM


Luck and Chance
All evolution comes down to luck and chance, magical beneficial mutations.
My definition of evolution is "LUCK and CHANCE"
Why do you bother to drool out this stupid lie to an audience of people all of whom know that you're lying? Whom do you hope to deceive?

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Message 105 of 936 (804338)
04-08-2017 10:14 AM
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04-08-2017 9:33 AM


Why do you keep telling this lie? Whom do you hope to deceive?

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Message 111 of 936 (804567)
04-11-2017 8:28 AM
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04-11-2017 2:26 AM


Re: Luck & Chance
So evolutionists knowing this and admitting this whole basis of luck on their beloved mutations, try to suggest, its the lucky envirorment that magically selects these mistakes and abberations ...
No, you silly liar, they do not say that.

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Message 115 of 936 (804597)
04-11-2017 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 11:32 AM


Re: Nature ran a lottery ????
Good comparison, Nature ran a lottery and eventually if given enough time, a KIND should mutate and hit the jackpot is their total motivation and ploy and con. It keeps evolutionists gambling and sitting at their mindless tables, wasting their lives away.
And winning Nobel Prizes, they do that quite a lot.
Meanwhile creationists make fools of themselves on the internet. Ah well, each to his own.
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Message 116 of 936 (804598)
04-11-2017 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 11:28 AM


Re: Luck & Chance
Yes, bad mutations and misreads happen, but where are your beneficial mutations.
Were you literally asleep during science class?

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Message 120 of 936 (804639)
04-11-2017 8:26 PM
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04-11-2017 8:16 PM


When scientists refer to the theory of evolution they are referring to the theory that complex life as we know it today evolved from less complex life - a single-cell organism, to be exact.
No.
Antibiotic resistance involves nothing more natural selection, in the form of a cull of most the various strains of a certain species.
No. Stop making stuff up.
Evidently, the definition of evolution need some clarification. How about dividing it into micro- and macro-evolution? Micro' can be the tangible aspects of the theory that are observable, testable and factual; macro' can be the rest of the theory that no one can observe, test or establish as a fact.
But the word "macroevolution" is already being used for things that people can test and establish as a fact. If you want to talk about a different concept, find a different word.

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Message 135 of 936 (804690)
04-12-2017 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 12:56 AM


Re: Nature ran a lottery ????
Sure... I can name real Christian Scientists who discovered the laws of our Creator..
You're claiming Einstein was a "real Christian Scientist"? Do you ever tell the truth?
Can you name one intelligent evolutionist ? who has discovered any truth ?
Let's take the 72 Nobel Prize winners who acted as amici curiae in Edwards v. Aguilard, and who said that "the evolutionary history of organisms has been as extensively tested and as thoroughly corroborated as any biological concept."
Edwards v. Aguillard: Amicus Curiae Brief of 72 Nobel Laureates

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Dr Adequate
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Message 137 of 936 (804703)
04-12-2017 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Nobel Prize winners ????
Nobel was a war merchant, who started a Peace prize !!! ?????
Its winners are usually losers.
Did not Obama get a peace prize for continuing in more and more wars ?
Evolutionists winning a peace prize or any prize had to be by luck and chance ... or pure folly.
Hello, earth to David? The 72 scientists in question all got their prizes in either physics, chemistry, or medicine. As you could have found out by clicking on the link.
Try to be less of a damn fool, would you?
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Message 142 of 936 (804732)
04-12-2017 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by CRR
04-12-2017 6:52 PM


Re: Luck & Chance
I can think of one type of evolution that does not rely on luck and chance. That is plant and animal breeding, which is a form of MICROevolution. This has been practiced for thousands of years and is mentioned in the Bible with Jacob’s goat breeding.
Thus far, creationists have been unable to reproduce Jacob's results, probably because the person who wrote Genesis knew bugger-all about genetics.
Say the antibiotic requires a certain binding site to be effective. Bacteria with a defect in this site will be resistant, but it is still a defect rather than an evolutionary advance, hence devolution.
Y'mean like humans are devolved defective monkeys?

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