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Message 315 of 960 (802195)
03-13-2017 5:48 AM


Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
This story might belong better on a thread about the election but this is the best fit I can find at the moment. The relevance is that the Left has been pushing hard on the fake news that Trump's people have been involved with Russians in questionable ways.
According to this Russian representative there were meetings between the Russian ambassador and both Trump's and Clinton's people, and none of it had anything to do with the election.
Kremlin spokesman: Russian ambassador met with advisers to Clinton campaign too
Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said in an interview Sunday that the Russian ambassador who met with Trump campaign officials also met with "people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary."
"Well, if you look at some people connected with Hillary Clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that he had lots of meetings of that kind," Dmitry Peskov told CNN "GPS" host Fareed Zakaria. "There are lots of specialists in politology, people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary."
Peskov said it is the job of Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to meet with officials on both sides to talk about "bilateral relations."
Peskov also defended those meetings, saying they were not an attempt to interfere in the 2016 election.
"But there were no meetings about elections - electoral process ... So if you look at it with intention to demonize Russia, you would probably say that, yes, he was trying to interfere in Hillary's activities. But it would be nonsense, because this is not true," Peskov said.
Peskov also said Putin never voiced support for then-presidential candidate Trump.
"You would probably recall that President Putin, during election campaign, had never answered directly a question about his candidate of his support. He kept saying that we will respect a choice of American people," Peskov told Zakaria.
Peskov, did however, concede that Putin preferred Trump over Clinton, saying, "If you ask him whether he had mentioned the then-candidate Donald Trump, I will answer, yes, he had."
Peskov suggested that the Kremlin leader found Clinton hostile toward Russia, while Trump was open to thawing U.S.-Russian relations.
"The candidate Hillary Clinton was quite negative about our country in her attitude and in her program, declaring Russia being nearly the main evil in the world and the main threat for the United States," Peskov said.
"And to the contrary, the other candidate, Donald Trump, was saying that, 'Yes, we disagree with the Russians ... in lots of issues, but we have to talk to them in order to try to find some understanding.' Whom would you like better? The one who says that Russia is evil or the one who says that, 'Yes, we disagree, but let's talk to understand and to try to find some points of agreement?'" he asked.
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Message 318 of 960 (802206)
03-13-2017 12:01 PM
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03-13-2017 7:13 AM


Re: Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
And here I thought if I got it from Yahoo news rather than a conservative site it would be more acceptable. Now it's clear that if I'm the one posting it, nothing will be acceptable.

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Message 319 of 960 (802207)
03-13-2017 12:02 PM
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03-13-2017 7:37 AM


Re: Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
I forgot about the earlier election thread and I knew about the fake news thread being closed, but I didn't want to start a new thread. I didn't think there would be that much to debate.

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Message 321 of 960 (802218)
03-13-2017 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by jar
03-13-2017 12:26 PM


Re: Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
No I don't want to go through it with you, but I would like to know what you are concluding: the story is made up, totally, partially, what?
Interesting that The Hill turns out to be "Left-Center" on this ranking:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/
...which would lead me to expect it to be skewed in the direction of implying the usual allegations about Trump's supposedly having unacceptable Russian connections. Instead the whole point seems to be that he didn't.
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Message 325 of 960 (802240)
03-13-2017 10:21 PM
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03-13-2017 5:05 PM


Re: Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
Well, follow my link: Fact Checker says Left-center.

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Message 326 of 960 (802241)
03-13-2017 10:23 PM
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03-13-2017 5:56 PM


Re: Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
There is no lie where the question was understood to be about the campaign. That was the same thing Sessions was accused of. He answered truthfully according to the question as he understood it.
Liberals know all this, know that it's common to meet with Russians and others, for them and Republicans both. This is just the Left on its witch hunt as usual, trying to drum up something against Trump even if they have to make it out of thin air. They can make it look like a cover up to people who don't know anything about this stuff, when it's nothing of the sort.
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Message 328 of 960 (802256)
03-14-2017 7:05 AM
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03-14-2017 3:35 AM


Re: Russian ambassador talked to both Hillary and Trump, not about election
Put it in a brief sentence or stick to one link with a brief sentence of commentary. Not only do I find most of what you say stupid and irrelevant, you write too much.

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Message 353 of 960 (802583)
03-18-2017 10:10 AM


Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
On the Gay Marriage thread I brought up the plan I'd been hearing about to use witchcraft against Trump, and of course the idea was ridiculed. Here's a report in The Huffington Post. I'm also moving it because it is clearly off topic on the other thread.
Witches Plan to Cast Mass Spell Against Donald Trump
The report says they'll be casting the spell once a month until he's removed from office, starting in February. I didn't hear about it soon enough to pray against it. Some 5000 on a Facebook page are pledged to cast the spell.
Whether you believe in the efficacy of witch spells or not, isn't there something just a tad anti-democratic about using any special tactics for a political purpose to defeat a President half the voting population elected? But that would include violent protests too. I guess we no longer honor the usual American democratic institutions, it's all-out war from the Left.

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Message 356 of 960 (802587)
03-18-2017 10:38 AM
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03-18-2017 10:19 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
abe: Trump WON. He's the President. Who voted against him is now irrelevant according to American tradition. According to that tradition the outgoing President and his administration graciously leave the field to the incoming administration. This civilized practice has been violently discarded by the Left in every possible way since Trump won. /abe
We are told in the Bible to pray FOR our government leaders, not against them, no matter who they are. And that was written back in the time of some of the worst of the Caesars. I admit I found it hard to pray for Obama, but did manage it from time to time.
But there are levels and degrees of witchcraft. As the story says this is just to have him removed from office, not do harm to him, though it is admitted there are spells that can do harm as well.
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Message 358 of 960 (802590)
03-18-2017 10:55 AM
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03-18-2017 10:53 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
dup
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Message 359 of 960 (802591)
03-18-2017 10:56 AM
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03-18-2017 10:53 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Without evidence that is just another sleazy EvC accusation. Please produce the post where I said that.
I don't recall doing that. Years ago I heard some preaching in favor of imprecatory prayers but it was a short-lived episode and not something I practice. Again, we are told to pray FOR our leaders.
It is, however, good to pray against witchcraft and specific forms of evil.
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Message 361 of 960 (802596)
03-18-2017 11:42 AM
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Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
It is, however, good to cast spells against prayer and specific forms of evil.
Casting spells involves Satan's powers, it is not permissible in any Christian context.
Witchcraft is thought by many to be the likely main form of the final One World Religion when it comes, however, which makes sense because Satan will finally be ruling the planet unhindered, as he's always wanted to do, so its open practice now could mean we're almost there.
It will probably be called Christianity, but I'm still hoping we Bible believers will have been raptured by then.

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Message 364 of 960 (802612)
03-18-2017 1:06 PM
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03-18-2017 12:12 PM


Rapture
Was Lazarus raptured? Was he in the heavenly kingdom? Are you making a death wish? I am thinking of the Rich Man story in Luke btw
To be raptured is to be taken to heaven without dying. So no, I'm not wishing for death but to be spared death.
I'm referring to the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture which some expect to occur as part of the End Times events, initiating the "Great Tribulation" which is an outpouring of God's wrath on the planet. It is one of a number of end times eschatologies, none of which have ever completely convinced me, but the Pre Trib Rapture has been growing on me lately because of a book on the subject I've been reading in fits and starts.
Lazarus died, he wasn't raptured and he was in "Paradise" not heaven, because this was before Christ's crucifixion, which opened the door to heaven. Only a couple of believers could be said to have been raptured to this point: Enoch for instance, and Elijah, because they went straight to Paradise without dying. The Rapture is to do the same with all believers living on the earth at the time, millions at once. After we're gone you can all have a jolly good time. Except that God's wrath is to come down on your heads. For seven years until Christ's Second Coming.

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Message 366 of 960 (802615)
03-18-2017 1:37 PM
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Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
I'm not going to condemn anything that's in the Bible. We're told to pray for our government leaders, period.

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Message 372 of 960 (802651)
03-19-2017 1:47 AM


witchcraft among other attacks on Trump
You guys -- nwr, NoNukes -- really ought to keep up JUST A LITTLE with the conservative side of things, a few minutes of a few radio talk shows now and then maybe, check in with Drudge or Breitbart maybe, or at least WND or Newsmax, just once in a while, because all you know is the leftist side of it.
The first thing David Horowitz said in that talk I posted somewhere recently, which he also says in his book on the Trump presidency that just came out, "Big Agenda," the way Trump has been treated since he took office is absolutely unprecedented in American politics. He said that a president is usually given a few months, seven according to Gallup, to try out his plans before his opponents jump on him, but Trump didn't even get seven seconds.
The court challenges are unprecedented and illegal too. And the protests are also unprecedented, certainly the number of them and the violence of them particularly, and the calls to assassinate him. You may be blind to it, but Trump supporters are only too aware of it. abe: A woman accosting Spicer in a store and accusing him of supporting a fascist? This is NOT normal American politics. This is the Left as crazed as it is possible to get. /abe
It is also unprecedented that the previous President would stay in Washington, as Obama has, just a short distance from the White House, and that we hear his opinions on what Trump is doing from time to time. Absolutely unprecedented. And of course conservatives are painfully aware of the bias of the media, that never stop coming up with ways to put out stories that find some fault in every thing he does. All this is unprecedented.
As for the witchcraft, what's foolish is to think there's nothing to it.
(I thought I knew a fair amount about the occult myself, but lately since I have trouble sleeping during the night I sometimes hear the program "Coast to Coast" on the radio and am amazed at the stuff people describe of occult/spiritual/paranormal phenomena. Tune it in sometime.)
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