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NoNukes
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Message 76 of 184 (802390)
03-16-2017 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Astrophile
03-13-2017 4:59 PM


If one rejects the fossil hominids mentioned by Mike's link, then so far as I can see, either humans (members of the genus Homo) must have evolved from other ancestors (either primates or non-primates) or the first humans must have come into existence without parents. Which of these possibilities does Mike prefer?

Uh, the one described in Genesis?

Is this really a serious question?


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Message 77 of 184 (802455)
03-16-2017 3:08 PM
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03-12-2017 8:31 PM


It should be noted too that all the entities proposed to be involved in abiogenesis have been observed.

That's a might bold claim that I am not sure that I believe. Have we really observed non-living chemical replicators and all of the intermediates between them and a living cell? I thought we were still postulating about what that path might have been. Surely you aren't just saying that we have found all of the organic compounds that make up living beings.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 78 of 184 (802466)
03-16-2017 4:38 PM
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03-16-2017 3:08 PM


That's a might bold claim that I am not sure that I believe. Have we really observed non-living chemical replicators and all of the intermediates between them and a living cell?

We have seen chemicals. We have seen replicators. We have even seen replicating chemicals to some extent - such as vesicles. If we had seen all the things in your list, we would have basically witnessed abiogenesis, which we haven't.

However, we have seen all of its components, just not how the process of those components coming together to result in life or near as damn it to life.

Compare and contrast with the essential entities in theogenesis. We've not observed God, let alone shown how God creates life.


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Message 79 of 184 (802548)
03-17-2017 2:03 PM
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03-16-2017 4:38 PM


However, we have seen all of its components, just not how the process of those components coming together to result in life or near as damn it to life.

We've only seen 'those components' in some generic sense. We have no idea which specific sets of components led to any particular unicellular life, which is yet another step before we can claim to have witnessed abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis is still a hypothesis.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 80 of 184 (802553)
03-17-2017 2:54 PM
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03-17-2017 2:03 PM


We've only seen 'those components' in some generic sense. We have no idea which specific sets of components led to any particular unicellular life, which is yet another step before we can claim to have witnessed abiogenesis.

Sure, but I never claimed anyone had witnessed abiogenesis. I said that entities that go towards abiogenesis had been observed. Lifeless chemicals, chemical reactions and living chemical systems. Putting it miles ahead of theogenesis.

Abiogenesis is still a hypothesis.

But it's a much stronger hypothesis than theogenesis which has not produced its key proposed entities.


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Message 81 of 184 (802644)
03-18-2017 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by NoNukes
03-16-2017 6:29 AM


Is this really a serious question?

Not really. I just wanted to make the implications of Mike's rejection of the fossil evidence for human evolution as clear as possible.


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Message 82 of 184 (808007)
05-08-2017 1:44 AM
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01-15-2017 3:59 PM


Good summary? That's not even a bad summary...nor any kind of summary.
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Message 83 of 184 (808073)
05-08-2017 11:51 AM
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01-16-2017 10:41 AM


Re: Thread Information is true
Percy, you should allow discussion rather than deeming it mis-information just because you disagree with it.

The OP comments were solid and verifiable. It was a good summary.....

But it should be noted that most evolutionists here state that primates ancestor was batsmeaning in their opinion, our further back ancestor is and was bats.


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Message 84 of 184 (808106)
05-08-2017 1:10 PM
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05-08-2017 11:51 AM


Re: Thread Information is true, but Davidjay's claims are false
But it should be noted that most evolutionists here state that primates ancestor was batsmeaning in their opinion, our further back ancestor is and was bats.

Another lie.

Who do you think you are impressing by lying? Particularly after a mod warning that this was a lie?

Is that all you have, lies?


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Message 85 of 184 (808151)
05-08-2017 3:23 PM
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05-08-2017 11:51 AM


Re: Thread Information is true
Davidjay writes:

But it should be noted that most evolutionists here state that primates ancestor was batsmeaning in their opinion, our further back ancestor is and was bats.

Davidjay can't figure out how his cousins can be his relatives while not being his ancestors.


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Message 86 of 184 (808399)
05-10-2017 2:37 PM
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05-08-2017 3:23 PM


Re: Bats are our ancestors but not our relatives ? Evolutionary double speak
Yes, your words and lingo and double speak 'evolutionary' wording is tricky....

Davidjay can't figure out how his cousins can be his relatives while not being his ancestors.

Evolutionists cant figure out where we came from, so just make it up as they go, thinking no one would dare challenge them on such ridicuolous conclusions concerning our family tree.

But go ahead explain, how our relatives are not our ancestors. The floor is yours. Or you can get other evolutionists to attack me the messenger rather than explain your message.

Do answer Taq, as I got you guys and gals again....

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 87 of 184 (808403)
05-10-2017 2:44 PM
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Re: Bats are our ancestors but not our relatives ? Evolutionary double speak
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists cant figure out where we came from,

We came from a common ancestor shared with chimps as supported by the fossil record and genetics.

But go ahead explain, how our relatives are not our ancestors.

You don't understand how your cousin is not your ancestor?


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Message 88 of 184 (808407)
05-10-2017 2:54 PM
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05-10-2017 2:44 PM


Re: Bats are our ancestors but not our relatives ? Evolutionary double speak
No, three of you said that primates (chimps included) came from bats.

So according to your wild unproven theory, bats are our common ancestor or are chimps also in there, or did they mate together upside down and produce right side up humans.

You must realise that your outlandish theories are laughable to say the least when you try and explain, how our ancestors are not our cousins and uncles, and relatives...

But thanks for the chuckle, but again I must ask you to expand your thoughts more than into one sentence. Expand, explain, how our ancestors are not our relatives. Or you can say, you made a rather large MISTAKE, and clarify your LARGE MISTAKE.

But do try and get those chimps back into a logical branch either before humans appeared or after, but surely not coupled together with bats. It clogs up your bel-fries....

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 89 of 184 (808410)
05-10-2017 3:02 PM
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05-10-2017 2:54 PM


Re: Bats are our ancestors but not our relatives ? Evolutionary double speak
David, you are telling stupid lies again.

Whom do you hope to deceive?


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Message 90 of 184 (808411)
05-10-2017 3:06 PM
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Re: Bats are our ancestors but not our relatives ? Evolutionary double speak
David the liar jay writes:

No, three of you said that primates (chimps included) came from bats.

That is a lie.


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