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NoNukes
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Message 382 of 960 (802703)
03-19-2017 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by Faith
03-19-2017 1:56 AM


Re: Rapture
The book is about what the Bible says. What else could it be about?
The book is about what some person thinks the Bible means. As most people are doubtless aware, the entire Rapture doctrine is pieced together out of minimal Bible support. The doctrine is probably wrong.
Nobody can read the Bible and completely understand it; that's why God tgives us teachers and preachers who can bring out meanings we miss.
Uh, there is an obvious contradiction here.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 383 of 960 (802705)
03-19-2017 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Faith
03-19-2017 1:47 AM


Re: witchcraft among other attacks on Trump
Witchcraft is silly claptrap. Small wonder you believe in it.
Beyond that, we've all peeped your cards. Apparently your own belief is that it is okay to pray for, say a democratic president's death as long as you do it according to Psalms. So not only are your beliefs idiotic, they are the height of hypocrisy.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 390 of 960 (802811)
03-20-2017 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Percy
03-19-2017 9:40 AM


Re: witchcraft among other attacks on Trump
quote:
He accused the mainstream press of being "fake news" at his very first press conference.
He insulted the Australian prime minister.
He claimed his inauguration crowds were the largest ever then fought with the press about it.
He caused chaos around the world with an ill-thought out and conceived refugee travel ban.
He disparaged NATO.
He withdrew from trade agreements and is threatening free trade around the globe.
He removed LBGT protections.
He frightened non-citizens around the country, green card or not. Illegals are fleeing.
He's is in the process of taking away health insurance from millions.
He's rolling back environmental protections.
He tweeted unsupported allegations about wiretapping by his predecessor and refused to drop the claim.
Your list wouldn't scare a single wingnut. In fact many of them are down-right ecstatic and would celebrate each item.
You can add to this list:
Accused Obama of enlisting Britain to spy on him because the US would not do it.
Submitted a bunch to Congress stripping money away from things like "Meals on Wheels"; disaster assistance; aid for poor college students, nutritional support for pregnant and nursing women; and clean air and water.
Proposed to separate children from their parents when they enter the US to request asylum.
Again, those seemingly horrible things are ideas that "right" minded folks are all cheering for.
In the minds of folks who would cheer a military vet being left to die if he could not afford health care, right leaning folks aren't the villains the list above makes them appear to be. They have philosophical reasons why we shouldn't help the most unfortunate among us. Faith says the Bible is not for nations despite verses easily found that command nations to do things. Other folks want to shrink government and claim to want individuals or the free market to pick up tasks like regulating the amount of lead in the water by taste. None of that smacks of sincerity to me at least.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 391 of 960 (802813)
03-20-2017 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by Faith
03-20-2017 7:56 AM


Expectations.
As a matter of fact every time I write a post I think I'll finally get through to somebody.
For example, you expected folks to appreciate the power of witchcraft when you complained about such things being used against Trump?
Because that post seems to mirror the question Phat actually asked, which was not whether you enjoy the criticism, but whether you feel that the criticism validates you, just as wiccans oppposing Trump makes him appear virtuous. Well you've certainly stated such things in the past. No point denying it now.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 398 of 960 (802869)
03-21-2017 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by Theodoric
03-20-2017 6:39 PM


Re: Totalitarian defined
We have a couple posters that overuse and misuse the word totalitarian
Here is New Cat Eyes usage. The law says you cannot do behavior X to folks. NCE does X, and the folks he did it to report him to the authorities. In his mind those folks who did the reporting are totalitarian. Those folks should instead have negotiated their rights with him.
If that's his definition, then the question is how much respect we ought to give NCE's butt hurt feelings over those who are actually in the right.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 411 of 960 (802930)
03-21-2017 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by Faith
03-21-2017 8:58 PM


Re: Totalitarian defined
There has never been such racial conflict in this country as has been drummed up over the last eight years by the Left.
I thought I might show some rather famous, pictures of stuff Faith claims never happened, but most folks know actually did occur. Hopefully someone will step up and show that these things are photo-shopped fakery and that Faith's startling statements represent the truth.
I do, of course, have an alternative hypothesis about reality.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 427 of 960 (803018)
03-22-2017 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by New Cat's Eye
03-22-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
That's the opposite of these guidelines and the mentality of expecting the federal government to advise you on which bathrooms people should use.
This a gross distortion of what the guidelines do. The guidelines tell state governments, and essentially nobody else, not to dictate what bathrooms they should use. Period. The sole penalty being a possible loss of Title IX funds. Do you take Title IX funds?
Under the guidelines, it was anticipated that folks would pick their own bathrooms and locker rooms rather than have the state do that.
Now, why do you make this gross mistake? It is because you want to misuse the term totalitarian. But how are the guidelines totalitarian, while the laws they are a reaction to are the height of freedom? Because you cannot draw a straight line; because you are literally defending the freedom to discriminate as some kind of right.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 428 of 960 (803023)
03-22-2017 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
03-04-2017 12:10 PM


Perhaps these fake Christians just grit their teeth when they read JC talk about feeding the homeless, doing as you would be done by and eye of needle stuff.
The standard answer from the Christians in question is that those verses are for Jews only.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 430 of 960 (803027)
03-22-2017 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Faith
03-22-2017 10:46 PM


Just wondering what "fake Christians" you have in mind? I've never heard of any kind of Christians who say Jesus' teachings are for the Jews only, and all the Christians I've ever known are very zealous for doing good works.
That's a fair question. I don't know exactly what Tangle meant by "fake", but my comments addressed dispensationalists. I don't know where you stand on that issue, and I don't consider them necessarily to be "fake Christians. I do believe that dispensationalism is bad doctrine.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 437 of 960 (803209)
03-27-2017 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by New Cat's Eye
03-27-2017 11:16 AM


...
New Cat's Eye writes:
If you did, you'd know that I was talking about the guidelines that the Obama administration issued on Title IX and how they relate to schools.
He's surely aware of that. What you are missing is that you've been accusing the rules of being totalitarian, and you've been very vague about who is being dictated to.
Advice to schools is not about what bathrooms you should use, but it instead about state organizations dictating what bathrooms folks should use. In the absence of such guidance, states are acting in a way that is completely authoritarian. Yet you express no objection to that state of affairs.
In short, your complaints are a sham. And not just pedantically as you've accused. If you missed jar's point, that's fine. But that same point has also been made here by several others. You have yet to respond to any of those posts. It may well be that I'm on your ignore list, but I'm not the only one besides jar who has made the point you seem to be avoiding at all costs.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 442 of 960 (803218)
03-27-2017 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 438 by New Cat's Eye
03-27-2017 12:12 PM


Re: ...
I'm talking about an individuals mentality in their approach to the fed gov. What are you looking to them for? What do you want to get out of them?
If it's total control that you're looking for then I'm calling that totalitarian.
This appears to me to make no sense. So an individual wants to go to the girls room. What should their approach be when the state passes a law saying that they cannot? And why isn't the state being totalitarian?
Of course, you've been asked these questions over and over.
Kiss my ass, liar.
You are full of shite. You've actually come up with some definition of totalitarian that cannot apply to a government but only to individuals reacting to being forced not to do something they should be able to do.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 443 of 960 (803219)
03-27-2017 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Percy
03-27-2017 1:21 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
How is state government not a "centralized governing body"? I'm guessing that what you're really trying to express is a preference for laws as close to local level as possible.
That might have been his position. Except that he thinks going to your boss about some policy that he abused is also totalitarian. Further he claims that the guidelines are not totalitarian, but the mindset of the person wanting to use the bathroom that fits is totalitarian.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 445 of 960 (803222)
03-27-2017 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by New Cat's Eye
03-22-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
NCE writes:
No, not at all. The first amendment prevents the federal government from violating a preexisting right. It limits the government rather than giving it more authority.
It doesn't identify people's characteristics and tell people how to behave. All it does is say what congress cannot do.
This reasoning does not work. As most folks are doubtless aware, the first amendment applies to a lot more than the federal government or even to Congress. The first amendment applies to both legislative and executive branches at all levels of government (due to incorporation via the 14th amendment). The University of North Carolina is prohibited from violating the 1st amendment just as is the president of the United States.
So if the state of Georgia want to ban "Gone with the Wind" within its borders, why isn't the first amendment, or at least the author's attempt to use the courts to enforce the first amendment totalitarian?
Answer. Because the line of reasoning that extends laws limiting state government in this way is horse ca-ca.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 451 of 960 (803241)
03-27-2017 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 446 by Theodoric
03-27-2017 4:34 PM


Re: ...
I am at a loss how an individual can be totalitarian. He seems to think people supporting bathroom rights have a subconscious desire to be under a totalitarian government.
Or does he have me even more confused than I thought.
His argument appears to be that states only affect all of the folks within their own borders but federal law affects everyone. Totally everyone, thus totalitarian. Meanwhile, the state is exactly the right level to screw with your life totally to the nth detail, but that is not totalitarian.
Don't go the authorities if you think I am picking on you. The perfect "bullies" argument.
He wants his word "totalitarian" because that word has a gravitas that his own position (states rights) lacks.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 453 of 960 (803251)
03-27-2017 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Modulous
03-27-2017 8:41 PM


Re: ...
but failing that a single individual objector should control other people's bathroom usage. Whatever 'level' of control gets what they want, eh?
That's how I am describing NCE's position. I am hoping to get a denial/clarification, but I seem to be getting doubling down.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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