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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
He did not see if the result was a functioning protein. He saw if the result carried out the original function. I suspect you know this and worded it slightly sloppily.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1045 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Got a link to the paper? Behind a paywall. I read just the abstract and this article about the paper on Panda's Thumb. on Panda's Thumb. Edited by caffeine, : tags
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1045 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
He did not see if the result was a functioning protein. He saw if the result carried out the original function. I suspect you know this and worded it slightly sloppily. Yes, this is what I was trying to say - which is why his lowend probability estimate seems to be about the probability of a protein performing a specific function; rather than the probability of a protein with function.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2263 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
If you mash up any chemical system you'll change the outcome of the chemical process.
Precisely. Life is more than just chemical reactions. Which are your 5 examples?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Life is more than just chemical reactions. Sort of, but not really. What are you thinking of?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Precisely. Life is more than just chemical reactions. Yeah, there's also pixie dust and unicorn farts ... wait, no there isn't, what's your point?
Which are your 5 examples? If you didn't read it, I suggest you do so.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2263 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
So, no quantitative result for measuring genetic information yet?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The Discovery Institute is not a very reliable venue for learning about science.
A prime example is their "Wedge strategy." http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html Two small quotes: Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies. Bringing together leading scholars from the natural sciences and those from the humanities and social sciences, the Center explores how new developments in biology, physics and cognitive science raise serious doubts about scientific materialism and have re-opened the case for a broadly theistic understanding of nature. ... In other words, they are advocating a "science" that conforms to their religious beliefs rather than following the evidence of the natural world. In short: they are 180 degrees anti-science. I don't consider that a very good source of scientific knowledge.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I think the peer-reviewed scientific papers may be more accurate than a failed propaganda organization. But if you think they have any good points backed up by actual evidence, please do present the evidence.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2263 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
You've got some nerve criticising my use of the Discovery Institute when you referenced a web site that doesn't even show the author's affiliations or qualifications. Next you'll be referencing Talk Origins.
[edit: I also note that site uses the definition "evolution - any change in a population's allele frequencies over time". This is a definition specific to population genetics and is not suitable as a general definition as I made clear in my post at EvC Forum: How do you define the word Evolution? . Perhaps you'd like to give your definition in that thread] Ann Gauger is a zoologist with a BS in biology from MIT and a 1989 PhD from the University of Washington. As a post-doctoral fellow at Harvard she cloned and characterized the Drosophila kinesin light chain. Her research has been published in Nature, Development, and the Journal of Biological Chemistry. The podcast I linked directly addresses one of the proteins mentioned in your link. Edited by CRR, : para added
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Ann Gauger is a zoologist with a BS in biology from MIT and a 1989 PhD from the University of Washington. The problem is not one's education or credentials. The problem is that to be associated with the Discovery Institute or any of the other similar religious-based fundamentalist organizations one must accept their particular religious beliefs. And the organizations' religious beliefs are always seen as superseding scientific evidence. It is obvious that religious belief can negate even the most distinguished academic education and credentials. Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything. Refer back to the Wedge document I linked to earlier. Those folks want to destroy "materialistic" science and replace it with "theistic" science. Here's a good analysis of the Wedge document by the Sensuous Curmudgeon: What is the “Wedge Document”? | The Sensuous Curmudgeon The Discovery Institute folks are clearly anti-science, and not a credible source for anything pertaining to science.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You've got some nerve criticising my use of the Discovery Institute when you referenced a web site that doesn't even show the author's affiliations or qualifications. But we can assume he's not affiliated with the Discovery Institute, so he's got that going for him. Also copious references to the peer-reviewed scientific literature. I note that you declined my invitation; let me repeat it: "if you think they have any good points backed up by actual evidence, please do present the evidence." I have in fact heard of Ann Gauger. Here she is in a Discovery Institute video, standing in front of what appears to be a Real Scientific Laboratory Where Science People Do Science ...
... but which is in fact a stock photograph. It is hard to think of a more perfect metaphor for "creation science".
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Ah, a creationist being photoshopped into a lab she's never worked in ...
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