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NoNukes
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Message 391 of 450 (802813)
03-20-2017 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by Faith
03-20-2017 7:56 AM


Expectations.
As a matter of fact every time I write a post I think I'll finally get through to somebody.

For example, you expected folks to appreciate the power of witchcraft when you complained about such things being used against Trump?

Because that post seems to mirror the question Phat actually asked, which was not whether you enjoy the criticism, but whether you feel that the criticism validates you, just as wiccans oppposing Trump makes him appear virtuous. Well you've certainly stated such things in the past. No point denying it now.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 392 of 450 (802825)
03-20-2017 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 7:32 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
You're the one who brought it up. You're the one who needs to explain why you did.

No I don't.

And why does it matter? Why are you more interested in "pegging" me than understanding what I actually think?

Basically everything you're saying about me is wrong, but you're obviously more interested in what you think about me than what I actually think. So have fun with that.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 393 of 450 (802826)
03-20-2017 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by Percy
03-17-2017 4:13 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
I'm not on the left or right and I think the name-calling from both sides is ridiculous and beside any points being made.

Okay, I'm not really on either side either. And I see both sides employing totalitarian thought and tactics.

I don't mind calling a spade a spade...

So you're going to provide your own word definitions and require everyone else to use them too?

Am I? It's fairly common usage these days, and I'm not requiring anything of anybody. I'd hope that you'd use my words in the ways that I intended, but I have no way demanding requirements.

Perhaps there's a misunderstanding on common word definitions at the root of the disagreement about the Obama guidelines adding anything to the interpretation of the law, but if you truly believe they added nothing then you can't use it as an example of your misdefinition of totalitarian.

It's not the government that I'm calling totalitarian, it's the mindset of the people who are outraged. That's regardless of what the guidelines actually say.


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Theodoric
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Message 394 of 450 (802828)
03-20-2017 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2017 2:47 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
Well when you use words in a way that has no basis in reality or in a manner not consistent with common usage, you should then provide a dictionary or at least an explanation when people call you on it.

I think a few people here would agree with me that though you are not using weasel words you are using weasel explanations for words.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 395 of 450 (802844)
03-20-2017 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2017 2:47 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
It's not the government that I'm calling totalitarian, it's the mindset of the people who are outraged.

Can you give a real life example of someone exhibiting this mindset? It'd help understand what you are trying to communicate.


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Percy
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Message 396 of 450 (802853)
03-20-2017 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2017 2:47 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
New Cat's Eye writes:

And I see both sides employing totalitarian thought and tactics.

That's because you don't know what totalitarian means.

I don't mind calling a spade a spade...

But you're calling a garden sprinkler a spade.

It's fairly common usage these days,...

That making laws or having an opinion is totalitarian is not "fairly common usage."

It's not the government that I'm calling totalitarian, it's the mindset of the people who are outraged. That's regardless of what the guidelines actually say.

I think you're confusing totalitarianism with making decisions and having laws (your Message 346). They're not totalitarian. They're how modern societies and every level of any human endeavor gets things done and makes things work.

--Percy


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Theodoric
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Message 397 of 450 (802855)
03-20-2017 6:39 PM


Totalitarian defined
We have a couple posters that overuse and misuse the word totalitarian. At least I, and others, think they do. I wonder if newcatseye and faith can tell us how what they are claiming is totalitarian fits into any of the definitions there are.
Merriam Webster
quote:

  1. a :  of or relating to centralized control by an autocratic leader or hierarchy :  authoritarian, dictatorial; especially :  despotic
    b :  of or relating to a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of the life and productive capacity of the nation especially by coercive measures (such as censorship and terrorism)

  2. a :  advocating or characteristic of totalitarianism
    b :  completely regulated by the state especially as an aid to national mobilization in an emergency
    c :  exercising autocratic powers

The Free Dictionary

quote:
adj.
Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: "A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul" (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).
n.
A practitioner or supporter of such a government.

Dictionary.com

quote:
adjective
1.
of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
2.
exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
noun
3.
an adherent of totalitarianism.

Maybe there is some other published definition I am not aware of. If so please supply the source.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 398 of 450 (802869)
03-21-2017 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by Theodoric
03-20-2017 6:39 PM


Re: Totalitarian defined
We have a couple posters that overuse and misuse the word totalitarian

Here is New Cat Eyes usage. The law says you cannot do behavior X to folks. NCE does X, and the folks he did it to report him to the authorities. In his mind those folks who did the reporting are totalitarian. Those folks should instead have negotiated their rights with him.

If that's his definition, then the question is how much respect we ought to give NCE's butt hurt feelings over those who are actually in the right.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 399 of 450 (802874)
03-21-2017 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by NoNukes
03-21-2017 2:30 AM


Re: Totalitarian defined
It is white privilege and Christian privilege.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 400 of 450 (802906)
03-21-2017 3:12 PM


Christian Extremist Says Conservative Tomi Lahren Should Be Executed for Defending Abortion Rights.

But liberals sometimes say conservatives are wrong, so that's basically the same thing.


  
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Message 401 of 450 (802918)
03-21-2017 6:30 PM
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03-21-2017 7:02 AM


Re: Totalitarian defined
[qs] It is white privilege and Christian privilege.
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Message 402 of 450 (802919)
03-21-2017 6:30 PM
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03-21-2017 7:02 AM


Re: Totalitarian defined
It is white privilege and Christian privilege.

Lying propaganda straight out of the Marxist playbook designed to promote class warfare by inventing Oppressor-Oppressed classes and encouraging the persecution of one by the other. It ought to be recognized as akin to shouting fire in a packed theater, and prosecuted.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Modulous
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Message 403 of 450 (802920)
03-21-2017 6:47 PM
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03-21-2017 6:30 PM


Re: Totalitarian defined
Lying propaganda straight out of the Marxist playbook designed to promote class warfare by inventing Oppressor-Oppressed classes and encouraging the persecution of one by the other.

When little girls are forced to use the boys room, as per the laws you disagree with, the little girls are not being oppressed in any fashion?

When someone says 'you should let little girls in school use the little girls room' is that totalitarian? Is it totalitarian to complain when someone decides to abandon that sensible statement?


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Message 404 of 450 (802923)
03-21-2017 7:29 PM
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03-21-2017 6:47 PM


Re: Totalitarian defined
Marxism is a hate purveryor that always ultimately promotes murder. You don't need to refer to Marx to make any point you want about people's special needs.
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Modulous
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Message 405 of 450 (802924)
03-21-2017 7:39 PM
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03-21-2017 7:29 PM


Re: Totalitarian defined
Marxism is a hate purveryor that always ultimately promotes murder. You don't need to refer to Marx to make any point you want about people's special needs.

I didn't. Here are my questions again:

When little girls are forced to use the boys room, as per the laws you disagree with, the little girls are not being oppressed in any fashion?

When someone says 'you should let little girls in school use the little girls room' is that totalitarian? Is it totalitarian to complain when someone decides to abandon that sensible statement?


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