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NoNukes
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Message 27 of 187 (794480)
11-16-2016 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by New Cat's Eye
11-16-2016 1:36 PM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
Is it, though? Being forced to pay for insurance that your provider won't take
You always have the option to use your non-Obama care insurance. Beyond that, while there are doctors who won't accept ACA insurance, it is only difficult, but not impossible to find doctors who will. The stats I've seen indicate a substantial minority of doctors won't take the insurance.
You are satisfied with 'let folks die insurance', when the rest of the Western world manages to provide health care to all of its citizens for much less than we pay. That's what you call freedom.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 100 of 187 (794579)
11-17-2016 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by New Cat's Eye
11-16-2016 3:23 PM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
Stop it. I'll do me. You do you.
You've already done you. I am just commenting on what you've said.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 135 of 187 (796792)
01-04-2017 3:14 PM


Plan? What plan??
After all of the repeal attempts under Obama, Congress comes to this realization:
quote:
Some Republicans are cautioning against repealing the Affordable Care Act too quickly and urging the party take the foot off the accelerator. The reason: there's no plan on how to replace what they roll back.
I know that petro told you something different, but the Republicans themselves are saying that there is no plan to replace the health care system that is currently covering 20 million Americans.
quote:
Gingrich stressed that before Republicans send a bill repealing Obamacare to Trump's desk, the party must make real progress on a replacement plan. "They have to have bridges to give people a sense of comfort that they're not going to be abandoned," he said.
Yeah, I know. I quoted Newt...
quote:
GOP Sen. Rand Paul cited potential insurance market problems if the law isn't replaced when it is repealed. "If Congress fails to vote on a replacement at the same time as repeal, the repealers risk assuming the blame for the continued unraveling of Obamacare," he said in an op-ed Tuesday. "For mark my words, Obamacare will continue to unravel and wreak havoc for years to come."
From fox news:
quote:
Trump has provided few specifics about how he would revamp the nation's $3 trillion-a-year health care system. Steps he and congressional Republicans have mentioned include greater reliance on tax credits to help people afford coverage
quote:
We have plenty of plans, said House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis. We don’t want to pull the rug out on people. We don't want people to be caught with nothing.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 145 of 187 (798818)
02-05-2017 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by LamarkNewAge
02-03-2017 4:11 PM


Re: The media did a piss poor job on covering the ACA in 2009/2010 and also after.
I'm referring to the 2013 "deal" where Democrats simply voted on a permanent Bush tax cut for those making $250,000 to $450,000, without ANYTHING in return.
Your suggestion that the Democrats could have gotten single payer healthcare in 2013 is a ridiculous. At that point in time, Democrats were forced to rely on Senate fillibusters and presidential vetos just to keep Obamacare from being repealed.
A Single Payer system would reduce absolute medical costs by at least 15% right away and have brought the total national bill to $1.7 trillion or less. Reduced health bills by 15% or more right away.
I'm for a single-payer system. But the idea that the democrats could have gotten any improvements to the ACA, and single-payer in particular, in 2013 is laughable.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 166 of 187 (803151)
03-24-2017 4:24 PM


Republican Repeal and Replace bill pulled.
Of course these folks are going to eventually get it together and dismantle the Affordable Care Act, but...
CNN is reporting that Trump has asked Paul Ryan to pull the current bill to replace the ACA with something. Given the dozens of repeal votes during Obama's presidency, which we can now see were only made under the cover of knowing that those past repeals would never see the light of day, it is clear that there never was an actual Republican Plan.
Maybe someday there will be a Republican plan, but that plan certainly won't meet Trump's promise of giving better coverage to more people for less money.
ABC, Fox and NBC are confirming that Ryan has pulled the bill.
And I thought neocons sucked...

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 172 of 187 (803163)
03-25-2017 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by PaulK
03-24-2017 5:15 PM


Re: Republican Repeal and Replace bill pulled.
And that was partly because some Republicans didn't think it went far enough.
That's clearly only the glass empty part of it. Those tea party folk wanted it to repeal some very popular parts of Obamacare that the rest of the Republican party were either opposed to dropping or felt that their constituents were opposed to dropping.
I wonder if Trump will fulfil his threat to "come after" the Republicans who would not support the bill
Trump may not have the popularity to pull this off nationwide, but he can go after some Republicans that are in the reddest districts. Is going after tea party candidates in really red districts going to be a winning proposition? I think not.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 176 of 187 (803470)
03-31-2017 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by LamarkNewAge
03-30-2017 11:32 PM


Re: Dangerous situation RECENT STEPHEN BRILL March 29 Washington Post article.
quote:
Countless lines of densely packed type without a hint of structure
Seriously brother? How about some honey instead of vinegar.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 181 of 187 (820336)
09-19-2017 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Diomedes
09-19-2017 10:02 AM


Re: The Republicans Try, Try Again
How precisely is it an improvement to remove 30 million people from having health insurance? How does this benefit our country?
The conservatives here have already explained this a dozen times, but I will recap.
1. If you die because you cannot afford health insurance while trying to put food on the table, well then by electing to feed your hungry children, you are experiencing "freedom".
2. Jimmy is going to use some of that there health insurance for a sex-change, and I don't want to pay for that even if it means I myself cannot afford my blood pressure medicine. More Freedom.
3. Hispanics are going to be treated in hospitals. Probably some Mexicans. And Obama's birth certificate. Nuff said.
4. Don't they have universal health care in Finland? That's stuff is for commies and it makes the lines for getting my hangnail treated too long.
4a. USA, USA, USA

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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