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Percy
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Message 631 of 4573 (803169)
03-25-2017 1:45 PM


Trump Approval Rating
Trump's approval rating has sunk to the lowest since inauguration, 44% in the latest Rasmussen tracking poll, while the latest Gallup poll has Trump at 41% approval. These are the worst numbers in history for a new president.
How is one to sum up these past 70 or so days? Most recently, of course, there's the stunning legislative defeat of the Obamacare replacement bill, which didn't even make it to the House floor for a vote, but then there were all the stumbling and self-inflicted wounds as Trump continually distracted from his plans and programs with a raft of unsubstantiated claims and accusations, from inauguration crowd sizes to wiretapping.
Trump is temperamentally unsuited for government. Used to getting his own way, he's unfamiliar with the give and take of political negotiations, and he's surrounded himself with too many political neophytes. But Trump has determination and staying power, and future efforts in areas like infrastructure and tax cuts are unlikely to divide the Republicans in the way that healthcare did. It would be a mistake to treat his healthcare setback as any kind of permanent victory for Democrats.
A last note on healthcare: after the failure of the Republican bill Trump claimed that Obamacare would eventually implode, leaving the Democrats begging for help. That *could* happen. Trump issued an executive order that federal departments enforce Obamacare as minimally as legally possible, so it's already wounded in that sense, and this caused sign ups this year to decline. Premiums have risen for this year, and while not substantial enough to have any significant impact, people can't afford increases year after year. If Obamacare premiums don't stabilize next year then there could be a substantial decrease in sign ups, enough to significantly break the balance between revenue and payouts. Plus the penalty is simply unfair. People who can't afford $2500 for healthcare are being taxed an additional $1200 and receiving nothing in return. That's not right and should be fixed.
--Percy

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NoNukes
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Message 632 of 4573 (803170)
03-25-2017 6:12 PM
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03-25-2017 1:45 PM


Re: Trump Approval Rating
People who can't afford $2500 for healthcare are being taxed an additional $1200 and receiving nothing in return. That's not right and should be fixed.
My understanding is that Trump has instructed the IRS not to enforce this penalty or tax, or whatever you need to call it. The result will likely be even more folks not signing up.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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jar
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Message 633 of 4573 (803171)
03-25-2017 9:19 PM


Reality
Is it possible that even with control of both Houses of Congress, the Executive and likely the Courts today's Republicans are really as incompetent as they appear and that they will not be able to actually accomplish anything during the next four years except piss off the electorate?

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Message 634 of 4573 (803172)
03-25-2017 9:59 PM
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03-25-2017 9:19 PM


Re: Reality
Before they only had to unify to oppose what Obama/the Democrats wanted to do.
Now they have to unify to do something themselves - Much harder to do.
(to state the obvious department).
Moose

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Message 635 of 4573 (803190)
03-26-2017 1:32 PM
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03-25-2017 9:59 PM


Re: Reality
Before they only had to unify to oppose what Obama/the Democrats wanted to do.
And now, all the Democrats have to do is oppose anything Trump/Republicans want to do. Is there really any difference?
Now they have to unify to do something themselves - Much harder to do.
It is for Republicans, because they actually have some diversity in believing what's best for current and future generations. The Democrats haven't had that problem for the past several decades. They're united - GROW THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF GOVERNMENT. It's all that matters to them. Things like weighing benefits of government action or inaction between different generations means nothing to them. Their only complication is dreaming up ways to convince the majority of their voters that they're stripping SOMEONE ELSE of their liberties and money, not them.

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Message 636 of 4573 (803192)
03-26-2017 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by marc9000
03-26-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Reality
marc9000 writes:
quote:
And now, all the Democrats have to do is oppose anything Trump/Republicans want to do. Is there really any difference?
Yes. Both logistically and practically.
The logistical aspect is that Congress was in Republican hands with a Democratic President. Thus, the Republicans knew that they wouldn't get what they wanted and thus could grandstand and showboat and not actually try to do anything. Their entire playbook was spectacle.
They've had seven years to come up with a "repeal and replace" bill. Why did they try to do it in 60 days? Oh, that's right: Because it was never about healthcare. It was never about the actual job of running a country. It was all for show.
The practical matter is that Democrats in government behave differently than Republicans do. When you have one faction which proudly states that they think government is incapable of doing anything right, then they will act that way when in government. The other faction thinks that government is sometimes the only entity capable of doing something and thus, they will act that way when in government. That's why, for example, Sanders is introducing a Medicare-for-all bill. It's why when the Democrats were in charge and were passing the Affordable Care Act, it took two years and the bill that was put forward was made available for everyone, including the public, to read and comment upon before it was passed.
The Democrats are in the minority, but they are still behaving as if they have a job to do and are working to do it, even though they know that the Republicans will be against anything and everything they suggest due to their inability to let anybody think that they "caved to the Democrats." It's a bit like the way both McCain and Trump claimed that they had these wonderful plans that would solve our problems...but no, they aren't going to tell us what they are now. You'll have to wait until they get elected.
Um...if it is such a wonderful plan, spit it out! Of course, it turns out that it was all just hype, but that's the Republicans for you.

Rrhain

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NoNukes
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Message 637 of 4573 (803193)
03-26-2017 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by marc9000
03-26-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Reality
It is for Republicans, because they actually have some diversity in believing what's best for current and future generations.
Didn't almost all of those 'diverse' Republicans already vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act something close to 50 times? Your answer would not seem to be much cover for not coming up with an acceptable solution sometime over the last seven years.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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jar
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Message 638 of 4573 (803194)
03-26-2017 8:32 PM
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03-26-2017 6:03 PM


Re: Reality
The reason is that for at least the last quarter century the Republican Party has concentrated on electing willfully ignorant candidates and once they are elected making sure they remain ignorant. This seems to have been a common program at local, state and federal levels. It has been a race to scrape the bottom of the bucket and elect the most ignorant and incompetent Republicans that can be found.
They have done it well.

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Message 639 of 4573 (803197)
03-26-2017 11:54 PM
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03-26-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Reality
And now, all the Democrats have to do is oppose anything Trump/Republicans want to do.
There's lots of things Trump has said he wanted to do that they'd be wholeheartedly in favor of.
It is for Republicans, because they actually have some diversity in believing what's best for current and future generations. The Democrats haven't had that problem for the past several decades. They're united - GROW THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF GOVERNMENT. It's all that matters to them.
That's an interesting fantasy, but if there was a shred of truth to it then Obama would have gotten a public option in the ACA.

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Message 640 of 4573 (803198)
03-27-2017 2:02 AM


News

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Message 641 of 4573 (803199)
03-27-2017 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 640 by Dr Adequate
03-27-2017 2:02 AM


Working for the weekend.
Not to worry. Trump did manage to get out the golf club Sunday.
quote:
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump headed to one of his golf courses again Sunday, marking his 13th visit to one since taking office and the eighth consecutive weekend he has spent at properties bearing his name.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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jar
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Message 642 of 4573 (803200)
03-27-2017 7:50 AM


Trump takes major step to cure Global Warming
It looks like il Donald is about to take yet another major step in curing global warming and threats to the environment with a directive to Congress to defund all efforts by NASA to look back at the Earth or work with other agencies.
source

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jar
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Message 643 of 4573 (803201)
03-27-2017 9:45 AM


The Trump Administration is family friendly.
Daughter has office in White House and security clearance.
Son-in-law gets tapped to fix government with business ideas. (hopefully not the ideas that lead to all of Trumps business failures, bankruptcies and law suits)

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Message 644 of 4573 (803202)
03-27-2017 10:07 AM
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03-27-2017 9:45 AM


Re: The Trump Administration is family friendly.
Daughter has office in White House and security clearance
Back in the day, a security clearance wasn't sufficient. You had to have a "need to know" in order to carry out your official duties.
She has no official duties, therefore no need to know.
Not that anyone will care.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 645 of 4573 (803203)
03-27-2017 10:27 AM


You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press and you can throw in a little hyperbole, But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.
From 'Art of the Deal'

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