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Faith
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Message 766 of 1358 (803444)
03-30-2017 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 765 by NoNukes
03-30-2017 4:01 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
You know what "hater" means as a PC .... I hate evil, .... .

No, I've understood that the Constitution does not ever allow actions contrary to law, that is why I assume there would be restraint on evil religions like Islam.

AGAIN, the only conflict between secular law and the Bible that I'm aware of is gay marriage. And as I said, go ahead and persecute. ....

Prayer is a good example in context, ....

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 767 of 1358 (803445)
03-30-2017 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 766 by Faith
03-30-2017 4:21 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
You know what "hater" means as a PC epithet. you lying louse. I hate evil, you creep. Sorry the same can't be said of the likes of you.

I'm telling the truth, and I will do so again here:

You've also admitted hating some dead people, namely some of the founding fathers. So yeah, you are a hater.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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14174dm
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Message 768 of 1358 (803446)
03-30-2017 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 764 by Faith
03-30-2017 3:53 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
...prayer in schools was not effectively challenged until Madalyn Murray...

Catholics started the parochial school system in the 1840s when Protestant officials forced Protestant prayers and practices on Catholic kids. Catholics complained but schools didn't change. I expect Jews were also unhappy.


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Faith
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Message 769 of 1358 (803447)
03-30-2017 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 767 by NoNukes
03-30-2017 4:25 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
..."Haters" is the same as racist or homophobe ..... Aren't you supposed to stick to the topic and not the person, ...

ABE to eliminate name calling for which I apologize.

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Faith
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Message 770 of 1358 (803448)
03-30-2017 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by 14174dm
03-30-2017 4:35 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Which again shows that the dominantt population was Protestant from the beginning.
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Faith
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Message 771 of 1358 (803449)
03-30-2017 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 767 by NoNukes
03-30-2017 4:25 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
"Telling the truth" does not EVER include assassinating the character of your opponent ...

ABE Sorry, I should have turned the other cheek, I'm not good at that.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 772 of 1358 (803451)
03-30-2017 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by Faith
03-30-2017 5:10 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
....Timeout....

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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NoNukes
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Message 773 of 1358 (803455)
03-30-2017 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by Faith
03-30-2017 5:10 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
"Telling the truth" does not EVER include assassinating the character of your opponent ...

I reported accurate exactly what you said. You assassinated your own character. You are also the one who insists that hater means racist even though we use that term primarily for other reasons. When I need to call you a racist or homophobe, I won't mince words.

I recall a previous discussion where you patted yourself on the back for not judging folks. Percy indicated that agreed with your self-assessment.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 774 of 1358 (803456)
03-30-2017 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 770 by Faith
03-30-2017 5:04 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Which again shows that the dominantt population was Protestant from the beginning.

Prior to the Constitution, and in some locations/colonies, of course that was the case. In others, not so much. But such dominance is not a constitutional principle.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Theodoric
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Message 775 of 1358 (803457)
03-30-2017 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 761 by Faith
03-30-2017 1:47 PM


Re: marriage ordinance again
As I thought nothing about marriage.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 776 of 1358 (803458)
03-30-2017 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 762 by Faith
03-30-2017 2:24 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Now you are lying about what you have said in the past. That is very poor form.

And as always you have nothing to back your assertion. Nothing in the Constitution says jack shit about citizens needing to follow your book of myths.

Do you ever have anything to back up your claims?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 777 of 1358 (803459)
03-30-2017 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 764 by Faith
03-30-2017 3:53 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
All this just makes me hate some of the Founders for their stupid Enlightenment deism that caused them to betray the Christian foundations of this country

So admit that some of the Founders did not advocate your stance and were actively against it.

You are actually advocating the overthrow of the Constitution. That is treason.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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From: Nevada, USA
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Message 778 of 1358 (803460)
03-30-2017 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by Theodoric
03-30-2017 6:30 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Hating the enlightenment mentality of the main founders is not the same as wanting to overthrow the Constitution. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Paine and Franklin were deists who did choose to leave the truth out of the Constitution but nevertheless said many things strongly supportive of the necessary Christian character of the nation in person. The Constitution is all that holds this pathetically deteriorating nation together, despite leftist efforts to destroy it, so I certainly am not for overthrowing it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 779 of 1358 (803476)
03-31-2017 7:25 AM


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Message 780 of 1358 (803497)
03-31-2017 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by Faith
03-30-2017 6:43 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Hating the enlightenment mentality of the main founders is not the same as wanting to overthrow the Constitution

Pretty amusing.

First, you said you hated the founders and not their mentality. I accept this statement as a correction, so I won't mention that again unless some denials pop up.

Secondly, the constitution we have is the constitution that those founders wrote and that was eventually ratified. In particular, some of those things you wish to see were not omitted, they are contrary to the intentions of the founders and that is something that has been shown via direct quotes. Accordingly, it is impossible to hate the mentality of the deist while still revering the constitution which reflects their intentions. You actually are desiring a different constitution that establishes for legal purposes that Christianity is supreme over all other religions and the law, and that the other religions are shams.

The Constitution is all that holds this pathetically deteriorating nation together

I appreciate the respect for the constitution that your statement engenders, but most Christians would not leave God out of the equation. I certainly would not.

Not engaging with the gratuitous lefty insults. I totally agree with Percy that such things are not productive.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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