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Faith 
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Message 537 of 960 (803435)
03-30-2017 1:49 PM
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03-30-2017 1:45 PM


Re: First Amendment
The context was the Jefferson quote.

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Message 539 of 960 (803437)
03-30-2017 2:03 PM
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03-30-2017 1:56 PM


Re: First Amendment
Beyond that, your proposed actions towards gay folks, and I say proposed because you don't actually own a bakery, are not harmless, and they are certainly illegal
jAs I keep saying, there has never been a conflict between Christian practice -- not some crazy Christians acting on their own misunderstandings but CHRISTIAN PRACTICE -- until the gay marriage law.
And that one violates the Bible and not some weirdo misreading of the Bible, so conservative Bible believers are not going to give it up, so persecute us to your heart's content already.
.abe: If things keep going as they've been going, it won't be confined to wedding businesses, we'll be getting punished for merely saying that homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is wrong.
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Message 541 of 960 (803441)
03-30-2017 3:49 PM
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03-30-2017 3:37 PM


Re: First Amendment
Yes.
Man and woman.

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Message 543 of 960 (803452)
03-30-2017 5:50 PM
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03-30-2017 5:11 PM


Re: First Amendment
Why do you impute those things to Christians? There are plenty of gay-hating nonChristians.
And the only vandalism I'm aware of in this connection is what the lovely LGBT community did to the property of the Kleins.
Legal gay marriage and nothing else is the only secular law that has ever conflicted with Christian teaching that I know of. That's it, no other form of "discrimination" despite your efforts to blur things.
Gay marriage is IT.
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Message 546 of 960 (803461)
03-30-2017 6:49 PM
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03-30-2017 6:15 PM


Re: First Amendment
So the anti discrimination laws that the Klein's ran afoul of during a time in a place when there was not legal gay marriage did not conflict with your understanding of Christian teaching?
No, there WAS no discrimination against them as gays. Only the request for service for a gay wedding is what was refused.
- the removal of unlawful prohibitions against gay marriage is not the issue that Christian service providers have run afoul of
Now that I am aware of the bigger historical context I see that what happened is that they were wrongly convicted of discrimination against gay people, when what they were doing was denying a service, period.
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Message 547 of 960 (803462)
03-30-2017 6:57 PM
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03-30-2017 6:07 PM


Re: First Amendment
I don't care what stupid nonbiblical ideas some Christians had, I'mnot ever talking about those false ideas. The Bible hasnothing agtainst interracial marriage and in fact supports it with the idea that we're all descended from the same set of parents and your constantlyh repeating that stupidity is just sstupid in itself.
There is no conflict between any of the other laqws you mention either. Yes if we were the Protestant country thye colonies w2ere then we would have laws limiting the political power of other religions, of course. But we are part of a nation that supports even dangerous religions, and there is no conflict with those laws as such. As I keep saying.
Just gay marriage.
And stop insulting Paul. He's worth a hundred of you. In fact one of you is way too much.
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Message 550 of 960 (803465)
03-30-2017 9:07 PM
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03-30-2017 8:01 PM


Re: First Amendment
All the states you list were basically Protestant except Maryland.
The First Amendment was to protect all denominations from each other, contrary to your anti-Protestant/ anti-Christian bias.
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Message 553 of 960 (809646)
05-19-2017 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
03-04-2017 4:32 AM


the Leftist Totalitarian Tactics haven't let up
Just saw a headline at Yahoo about the White House looking into the law about impeachment. Every day there is something on that page implying some kind of error by Trump, some kind of hot water he's supposedly in. Some of it has some truth to it but overall it's hard to escape the impression that this IS a witch hunt, that the Left has dedicated itself to getting rid of him one way or another, by fake news or tweaked news or always finding the negative in the most neutral event. There is ZERO evidence of ANY kind of "Russian collusion" and even some leftists have admitted that, but they still keep it in the headlines because it makes Trump look bad. Amazing.
There's little point in even trying to prove any of this, the opinions here are completely in tune with Yahoo and other Leftist sources. Scary to think that we could have a Leftist coup, the overthrow of a legitimately elected President, against the will of half the voting population, based on absolutely nothing. Trump makes mistakes but he's never made an impeachable mistake or anything close. The question is whether his enemies can dupe the public into thinking so.
There is no more America, thanks to the Left, but nobody here will see it that way. And conservatives for the most part are too truly American to do anything as underhanded as the Left is doing even though that's probably the only way they could be stopped.

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Message 556 of 960 (809649)
05-19-2017 11:33 PM
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05-19-2017 11:22 PM


Re: the Leftist Totalitarian Tactics haven't let up
Oh I don't know which of their tactics might get Trump out of office, if any of them could, I just know they are throwing everything they can invent to bring it about. And even if they don't get him out of office they are doing their worst to obstruct his efforts to make good on his campaign promises. (Nevertheless he IS having some success in spite of it all.)
And maybe it will yet come to "sticks and stones" in Dr. A's words. After all we've already had totally illegal violent "protests" that are even effectively unopposed by the police. The Left is truly totalitarian, they have no interest in anybody's free speech but their own and they have no problem with using physical force, just like any totalitarian communist or fascistic organization. Propaganda is always part of that, but it never stops there.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Message 558 of 960 (809651)
05-19-2017 11:46 PM
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05-19-2017 11:40 PM


Re: the Leftist Totalitarian Tactics haven't let up
Nothing has ever been done to any President like what is being done to Trump.

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Message 563 of 960 (809662)
05-20-2017 7:17 AM
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05-20-2017 2:37 AM


Re: the Leftist Totalitarian Tactics haven't let up
Oh I'm sure they have a plan to take down Pence too, they'll stop at nothing.
So far everybody here is right on cue with the Leftist line against Trump. Amazing.
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Message 567 of 960 (809806)
05-21-2017 10:03 AM


I wonder if anything like this has ever happened before in history? A President fairly elected, basically a good guy really, who cares about the country and wants it to succeed, be prosperous, allow for everybody's wellbeing and happiness, is vilified as if he's some kind of demon, accused of the most amazing perfidies, as if he were the worst person who ever lived. The Russian collusion story is absurd, has already been debunked even by some on the Left and yet they keep it up and keep it up and that's just one noisy little bit of nothing designed mostly to distract I suppose, from the main war of lies aimed at taking over the country. This is a political war that hasn't yet come to blows beyond some violence by the Left, and I hope it doesn't, but it's almost as bad. If you vilify people, Trump himself but also all his supporters, calling us names that identify us as inhumane, call us haters and racists and all sort of other lies, you can eventually justify doing away with us somehow or other, at least shutting us up. I wonder how many here know that we're already being silenced in various ways on the internet? But the thing is it wouldn't matter if this information was out there it would be denied by the Left.
I never would have imagined how powerful propaganda could be, and I could wish I hadn't lived to find out.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Message 569 of 960 (809808)
05-21-2017 10:16 AM
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05-21-2017 10:14 AM


Obama was not attacked by the media. The powerful people who are attacking Trump were on Obama's side and still are, and he was guilty of lots of stuff he was accused of, that eventually will come out.
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Message 571 of 960 (809811)
05-21-2017 10:35 AM
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05-21-2017 10:19 AM


You don't even know you're talking propaganda, do you?

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Message 573 of 960 (809814)
05-21-2017 10:49 AM
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05-21-2017 10:43 AM


More propaganda Paul. The media gave Obama a pass on everything, but everything they can twist to sound bad about Trump they do. And you don't even notice.

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