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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Are we being POE'd again?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
"For ALL have sinned," is a statement of equality.
The Great False God of Equality....
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Jesus of course was ...both a communist and a socialist who was very much in favor of equality. Apart from the fact that Jesus was no such thing, it's so odd that anyone would claim Communism, or socialism either, is in favor of equality, unless of course that means equality of poverty for the masses and extravagant wealth for the bosses. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Apart from the fact that Jesus was no such thing, it's so odd that anyone would claim Communism, or socialism either, is in favor of equality, unless of course that means equality of poverty for the masses and extravagant wealth for the bosses. Once again Faith, you are simply showing that you have not read any of the books written by Marx or Trotsky describing communism just as you have not shown you have read the Bible. Jesus lived in a commune with needs met by those who could afford the largess expecting the members to produce what they could. He lived by "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need(s)".
Acts:11:29 writes: Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: Also the parable of the Talents.
Acts 4:32-35 writes: 32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. Edited by jar, : add biblical passages since it seems they had not been read.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2417 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I said this in post 793
quote: Faith responded in 794 (in an evasive manner)
quote: Here are your past words(see post 544 for source and link) quote: You said that Jews had an incorrect understanding or were CONFUSED! You are the one confused Faith. James the Just was not confused and neither were his fellow Jewish Christians. Here is you in post 823 (responding to me, when I said you are "allergic to Acts 15")
quote: quote: Keep reading my quotes of you Faith because you then go on to use the ceremonial argument to discount the Post Easter Council decisions.
quote: quote: Keep ignoring the fact that the moral issue of fornication is in these supposedly "ceremonial" laws Faith.
quote: quote: Wow! You don't know what got Paul arrested? Acts 21 was when Paul returned from his final missionary trip, and the Apostolic Council decisions were referenced there (the only other chapter in the Bible they are quoted fully aside from chapter 15) and the rest of Acts centers around his legal issues concerning gentiles and the Temple. Gentiles weren't given the Apostolic Council rules for the sake of not offending Jews. That is a fiction that isn't in the text.
quote: quote: I am saying you are a Roman Empire "Christian" and you ignore Apostolic Christianity. And back to the "ceremonial" argument I see. Contrary to your slick lie earlier. Even Wikipedia articles have a hard time attempt;ting to describe the Apostolic Council being ignored and disparaged by your ilk Faith
quote: They don't mention how strange it is that people like you don't accept the council. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What utter nonsense.
What you are describing is just the ordinary charity of the church in helping to support others in dire need. Jesus didn't live in a commune. He said He had "no place to lay My head." There was one time later, after His crucifixion, when the church pooled all their goods. One time. Not the norm. The parable of the talents is rather a capitalist example it seems to me: each being provided with an original stake and expected to invest it to increase its value. You need to stop reading your liberal commentaries. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2417 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: So why do you oppose gay marriage being legal then? You care that a small percentage of men (or females) will "sin" so much that you want certain marriage unions made illegal. Would Paul want it that way? What do you think? You like to share your thoughts.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2417 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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quote: I don't know what this is about but I always put "church" in quotation marks when a Roman Empire Christian like you invokes the name. You aren't of the Apostolic faith "Faith" Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: You need to stop reading your liberal commentaries. I don't read commentaries Faith, I read what the Bible actually says. Jesus did have a place to lay his head since he did live within a community made up of followers and outsiders that contributed to support his marketing efforts. It was a classic example of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need(s)". Wealth donors provided income and his roadies learned from him and helped market his product. But each left their job to join the commune you will notice. But again Faith, you have still failed to show any actual support for your assertion that "Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity" has any basis in reality. You have demonstrated that different chapters of Club Christian have created their own interpretations of what the Bible actually says yet that does not in any way change the fact of what the Bible says. You have only shown that you create the "Christianity" and "Jesus" and "God" that suits your desired beliefs.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have no idea what weird theology you subscribe to but that long post taking me to task about Acts 15 for some incomprehensible reason quotes me saying things that most Protestants say about that council: the point was to resolve issues raised by Jews about Gentiles not obeying their laws, specifically circumcision; and they eventually decided only to require them to obey the laws Jews would find most offensive if disobeyed. This was asked of them not because it was necessary -- the Gentiles had every right not to obey any of it -- but to show respect for their Jewish brethren -- on the basis of the "Law of Love" rather than the strict law of the Jews. The passage shows that it is not wrong for believers in Christ to obey the Jewish laws and also not wrong not to obey them at all. It's all easily findable in Protestant commentaries online. I said pretty much the same thing in both of those quotes you post of what I said.
It logically follows that when the Church became predominantly Gentile that there would no longer be any reason to obey the laws the council asked of them, and as a matter of history those laws were dropped. Again, I have no idea what yhou are complaining about. What I said is standard Protestant understanding of that council. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What is a "Roman Empire Christian" anyway?
I'm a strong Reformation Protestant. What are you?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You did quote a bishop some time ago as having the same views you have, but if you do just get your wacko readings of the Bible on your own, that would make sense. We need preachers and teachers to get it right and you are a poster child for how wrong it's possible to be.
ABE: There is safety in a multitude of counselors says the Bible. Trusting yourself alone to get anything right is sheer foolishness. The more commentaries you read the better able you are to sort out the truth from the errors. The Bible also requires "two or more witnesses" to determine the truth of any claim, usually criminal claim, but the principle applies in general. Loners are not to be trusted. (And that is certainly one strong reason to recognize Mohammed as a false prophet by the way) Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I suppose you also believe creationists eat children. As you can see from the link, there are no races as such, under creationism, so tribes can't be delineated by outer appearance. What is this supposed to mean? Did not Ken Ham agree that Africans and Chinese were descendants of Ham? Did I attribute anything more to him than that? Did I accuse Dr. Ham of racism? I note that Dr. Ham denies that there is a curse of Ham. Yet we can read something that appears quite different in Genesis 9:25.
Certain people groups coming from Ham, has nothing to do with being cursed anyway, in the sense of racism. The question is whether or not folks did actually interpret the Bible as saying that, and whether that interpretation can be textually justified. Of course, it is possible to pick holes in that interpretation, but that is true about other currently mainstream doctrine.
I myself have never read anything racist in the bible, it seems like an open and shut case that wicked people try and get things into the bible so as to justify those agendas by appealing to the bible as the authority which justifies those notions. That's fine. Of course, a good part of the discussion here is about whether folks are mis-interpreting the Bible to justify yet another notion about wedding cakes. I understand that you are not doing that. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: You did quote a bishop some time ago as having the same views you have, but if you do just get your wacko readings of the Bible on your own, that would make sense. We need preachers and teachers to get it right and you are a poster child for how wrong it's possible to be. Actually no, I quoted a Bishop that understood that the Bible actually says what it says instead of relying on what the apologists make up. But that still does not change the fact that the Bible actually says what it says and not what the commentators wished it said. But again Faith, you have still failed to show any actual support for your assertion that "Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity" has any basis in reality. You have demonstrated that different chapters of Club Christian have created their own interpretations of what the Bible actually says yet that does not in any way change the fact of what the Bible says. You have only shown that you create the "Christianity" and "Jesus" and "God" that suits your desired beliefs.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Only a total idiot would think he's the only one who can read the Bible correctly. An arrogant total idiot. And as soon as anyone, you or that bishop, gives an opinion about what it says, that makes you or him, a "commentator" or an apologist. Duh. We still have to choose between different interpretations of what it says. My choices are quite consistent back through the Reformers down to the Church Fathers, ignoring a lot of the RCC but following dissident groups. I'd bet you can't trace your own interpretation back more than a few decades if that.
I also think this thread has proved many times the truth of the title. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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