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Coyote
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Message 1 of 75 (790257)
08-27-2016 8:54 PM


From another website, but it seems to fit well here:
The Ten Laws of Creationism | The Sensuous Curmudgeon
Well, actually, one of our clandestine operatives obtained this document from the top secret files of an influential creationist think tank which we shall not name. As a public service, we’re making it available here.
The Ten Laws of Creationism and Intelligent Design
Note: In case this document is ever disclosed in a courtroom, remember: this is a statement of scientific principles. We don’t use the word creationism. The operative term is Intelligent Design, or ID. Similarly, we don’t use the word miracle. The operative expression is product of ID. In applying these principles while speaking to the public, be sure to emphasize that what we do here is science, not theology. This is vital for litigation purposes.
1. The Law of Evidence: Everything is Designed; therefore everything is evidence of ID. No evidence supports evolution.
2. The Law of Conservation of Arguments: Discredited arguments are never discarded, they can always be recycled.
3. The Law of Reproducible Results: Anything found in nature was Designed, unless it can be reproduced in the lab. Corollary: Anything intentionally done in a lab is not natural; it’s a purposeful result. Therefore, all lab results are evidence of Intelligent Design.
4. The Law of Completeness: Anything which has not yet been found or explained will never never be found or explained. Gaps and mysteries are evidence of ID.
5. The Law of Complexity, Improbability, and Inexplicably: That which is complicated or improbable and has not been explained, cannot exist naturally.
6. The Law of Impossibility: Complex and improbable things, being naturally impossible, must be the product of ID.
7. The Law of Persistence of Design: Once something has been declared a product of ID, no natural explanation is acceptable. If one of proffered, it is evidence only of the fact that the naturalists are desperate.
8. The Law of Supernatural Superiority: Whenever two explanations of a phenomenon are presented, one natural and one supernatural, the latter is always better. Naturalistic bias must be avoided.
9. The Principle of Life: Life can’t arise naturally, and yet it exists. Therefore life is the product of ID.
10. The Principle of Universal Design: The universe is made for life, which is highly improbable; therefore the universe is the product of ID.
Hmmmm. Some of the posts we see here seem to be well described in these "Ten Laws."
How about "Humor?"

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 3 of 75 (790259)
08-28-2016 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
08-28-2016 3:04 AM


Re: Don't see a debate topic here
Whatever you think best.
Maybe in Humor?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Coyote
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Message 22 of 75 (803790)
04-04-2017 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Davidjay
04-04-2017 9:51 PM


Re: Reading Genesis literally but not scientifically
The biblical record is clear and concise, reasonable and rational when considering science and mathematics, history, and world events from the BEGINNING.
And its also wrong in a great many places. The age of the earth, the global flood, and "created kinds" are just three examples.
It just takes some time and study before you can see it. Evolution is easy to understand because it is all based on luck and chance, if given enough shakes of the dice, to eventually come up with an amazing combination that just happens to fit in perfectly.
But some time and study are what creationists fail to apply to evolution. Rather, they rely on creationist literature and websites and construct magnificent straw men to tilt against. They repeat the mistakes that have been disproved for decades (that's where PRATT--point refuted a thousand times--comes from). There are so many PRATTS they've even been numbered! Check out the Index to Creationist Claims:
An Index to Creationist Claims
Theres no mathematics to evolution, no science of real beneficial mutations, and no timeline that doesn;t get changed time after time.
Do you have a problem with science becoming increasingly accurate over the years? That's what your post really says.
Unlike creationism, when science refines or even refutes an idea it modifies or abandons it.
Creationists are just the opposite: they rely on belief rather than evidence and most won't change a disproved belief even in the face of overwhelming evidence. We can go back to the age of the earth, the global flood, and "created kinds" as examples.
So before you get too enthusiastic about picking on science for changing, perhaps you should examine creationists for not changing even when proved wrong. And don't forget, science relies on evidence while creationism is the exact opposite, relying on belief and ignoring evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 34 of 75 (803851)
04-05-2017 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Davidjay
04-05-2017 8:12 AM


Re: Reading Genesis literally but not scientifically
All three of your examples are provable, as the Flood is true history.
Nonsense. My own archaeological research disproves the global flood ca. 4500 years ago. Research by my colleagues disproves it thousands of times over.
In my research I have continuity of human cultures from before to after the date of the flood, and most importantly I have mitochondrial DNA of the same type extending from before to after that date. If there was such a flood, the earlier mtDNA haplotype would be eliminated, to be replaced by a type from the Middle East.
A few other little details: there is no evidence of the erosional or depositional features that would necessarily associate with such a flood in the area I study.
But if you truly want to see the features left by flood erosion, google "channeled scablands" and look at the images. Some notable examples are from central and eastern Washington:
The nice thing about the flood evidence in Washington is that we can date the events and we know the cause! They occurred between 18,000 and 13,000 years ago, and resulted from formation and breakage of ice dams upstream.
Oh, and this evidence is about three or four times older than the purported global flood. How is it that we see the evidence of those older floods but not evidence of a much larger and much more recent flood?
(Answer: it didn't happen.)
So, don't be claiming that the flood is TRVE history. It is a belief, not a fact.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 48 of 75 (803886)
04-05-2017 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Davidjay
04-05-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Reading Genesis literally but not scientifically
Nice pic of the receeding flood and how it gouged out the landscape, Actually the Grand Canyon, is a better example of the receeding flood
You didn't address my archaeological evidence.
Nor did you explain why "receeding floods" (sic) didn't cause such obvious geographical features in most other places.
Nor did you address the age difference between the purported flood and the channeled scablands.
There is also a substantial age difference between the channeled scablands of Washington and the Grand Canyon.
In other words, you are ignoring huge amounts of evidence in favor of belief.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 62 of 75 (803993)
04-06-2017 10:30 AM


Davidjay writes:
Coyote, if you want the true history of the Flood, just start a new thread, on it and I shall answer. You can post your billions and trillions of years, and I can post my immensely smaller exact numbers.
I did start a new thread. I await your participation and evidence, if you have any.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

  
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Message 75 of 75 (805876)
04-21-2017 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Davidjay
04-21-2017 9:53 AM


Re: Re:Explain your theory, dont say no one knows your theory
Do your own homework for a change:
Evolution 101 - Understanding Evolution

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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