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New Cat's Eye
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Message 301 of 311 (701351)
06-17-2013 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by foreveryoung
06-17-2013 3:02 PM


Europa riding a bull is ancient greek mythology. It predates chrisitan mythology. It has nothing to do with Revelations at all.

Where do you think John got the idea for his prophecy from? Answer: ancient greek mythology.

Oh, I thought it was a revelation from Jesus. I didn't realize he was just ripping off the greeks.


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Message 302 of 311 (701355)
06-17-2013 6:38 PM
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06-17-2013 3:15 PM


Jesus spoke to John in a cultural context he understood. Jesus used common cultural imagery of John's day to communicate his prophecy.
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Message 303 of 311 (701360)
06-17-2013 8:28 PM
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06-17-2013 6:38 PM


Then you can't distinguish the influence of the case in question as being either from the greeks or from the prophesy.

ABE:

Maybe I should expound a bit:

We're talking about this coin:

And people saying that it's indicative of the harlot and the beast from Revelations.

I think that's stupid. Do you disagree?

I say that it was influenced by the greek myth about Europa and the bull, ya know, what with being a Euro and all.

You can't claim that Revelations was also influenced by greek mythology and then conclude that this is indicative of Revelations because you're not ruling out that this was just influenced by the greeks without anything at all coming from Revelations.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE


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Message 304 of 311 (701369)
06-18-2013 12:24 AM
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06-17-2013 6:38 PM


Why assume a Greek source rather than Jewish ? Isn't the whole idea of beasts representing empires straight out of Daniel ?
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Message 305 of 311 (803917)
04-05-2017 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Angeldust
01-02-2005 7:42 PM


To answer your queries..... means you have to learn the basics.

"I'm not sure that this is the most appropriate place to ask the question as this is more of a Biblical question than a creo question, but I don't hang around many of these forums so I thought I'd ask here.
I'm not an endtime prophecy buff, usually I leave the speculation about it alone. Too much other stuff to worry about than when the world's going to end. However, I heard (sadly, didn't obtain) a very convincing article (author unknown to me)relating to negotiations by someone named Javier Solona. If I remember correctly he's the foreign affairs guy in the European Union. He's currently working on a seven year peace treaty involving 17(?) countries in the middle east, including Isreal, for some economic reasons - letting them into the EU trading block. The peace treaty would come into effect on January 1, 2007. It would be reviewed at the 3 1/2 mark.

My question being. Where is the scriptures that talk about the peace treaty, and does anybody else know anything about this guy? I'm not pointing fingers and saying "Look! There's the Anti-Christ!" because people have been doing that 2000 years and have been wrong every time. However, any information you could give to satisfy my curiosity would be greatly appreciated. """

The Seven Year Covenant is mentioned in many places, Revelation, Daniel etc... I have it broken down in Daniel 9, with hyperlinks to Revelation and the other prophets.

Biblically the maker of the Covenant is talked about in Daniel 11, he is called the Prince of the Covenant, but he gets killed or replaced by the AC. at the mid point as you had gathered.

But the Covenant or Pact (military, economic, religious involves TEN as in 10 nations exactly.... Daniel 2, ten toes, ten horns in Revelation etc etc etc.... truths are always repeated over and over and over again in the Design Book of Prophecy, so none can say they have an excuse (if they can read) So NO, forget 17 nations, as ten nations including Israel sign.....

If you want further information just ask.... but do the basic research to start with.... so you have a basis in understanding

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Message 306 of 311 (803923)
04-05-2017 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
06-14-2013 10:23 AM


Re: The woman in Revelation
Faith writes:

No desperation involved. A bunch of us IMMEDIATELY saw the Europa statue in terms of the woman on the beast in Revelation. Straightforward recognition. All the "objective" stuff is absolutely irrelevant.

For what it's worth, the Biblical story of the angel Gabriel visiting the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38) reminds me of the myth of Leda and the swan ('his wings as drifted snow', etc.). No doubt this is just as silly as seeing the Europa statue in terms of the woman of Revelation 17. One can make anything out of myths.


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Message 307 of 311 (803956)
04-06-2017 12:29 AM
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04-05-2017 5:17 PM


quote:

I'm not an endtime prophecy buff, usually I leave the speculation about it alone. Too much other stuff to worry about than when the world's going to end. However, I heard (sadly, didn't obtain) a very convincing article (author unknown to me)relating to negotiations by someone named Javier Solona. If I remember correctly he's the foreign affairs guy in the European Union. He's currently working on a seven year peace treaty involving 17(?) countries in the middle east, including Isreal, for some economic reasons - letting them into the EU trading block. The peace treaty would come into effect on January 1, 2007. It would be reviewed at the 3 1/2 mark.

This has to be a careless cut-and-paste job. A seven-year treaty that came into effect on January 1 2007 would have expired 3 years ago.


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Message 308 of 311 (804003)
04-06-2017 11:52 AM
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04-06-2017 12:29 AM


Davidjay seem to be nothing more than copypasta.
Javier Solona left EU leadership in 2009

I wonder how long we are going to have to put up with this joker.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 309 of 311 (804005)
04-06-2017 12:06 PM
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04-05-2017 5:17 PM


Davidjay writes:

... 10 nations exactly.... Daniel 2, ten toes, ten horns in Revelation etc etc etc.... truths are always repeated over and over and over again in the Design Book of Prophecy, so none can say they have an excuse (if they can read)


Magic numbers are repeated because they're magic numbers, not because they have any significance in reality.
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Message 310 of 311 (804017)
04-06-2017 1:22 PM
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04-06-2017 11:52 AM


Davidjay seem to be nothing more than copypasta.
Javier Solona left EU leadership in 2009

I wonder how long we are going to have to put up with this joker.

He was replying to the OP, written in 2005. That's why the question about Solana is in quotation marks.

The OPs question was posed 12 years ago, however, and was the poster's sole contribution. I don't think he's still awaiting a reply.


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Message 311 of 311 (804069)
04-06-2017 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by caffeine
04-06-2017 1:22 PM


Yes, this thread is Ancient of Days old..... I quess, new threads haven;t been granted for up to date prophecy.

As mentioned, intelligent design is in TIME as well as distances, and speeds (Someday we might get to discuss Light Speed Design if enough people ask for it on NEW PROPOSED TOPICS.)

Time is by design, whether the exact history from the Beginning all the way up to the Return of the Creator of Time. Prophecy is about future time design. You cant alter it, it will happen just as exactly as the past fulfilled prophecies..exactly as in exactly..

Do note what happened today, Mid East War breaks out eventually til it has to be resolved by the Peace Covenant... 10 nations sign, not 11, not 9... 10 as in 10.. ten toes, ten kingdoms, ten horns.... repeat repeat repeat, as almost all prophecies are repeated over and over and over again....

Cut and paste, I only do that when I denote it.

Im alive and kicking.....

If you want to know whats happening ...just ask


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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