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jar
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Message 938 of 1484 (803779)
04-04-2017 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 936 by Faith
04-04-2017 8:51 PM


Re: ICANTs concept of establishing a religion
Faith writes:
And, what this thread IS about, we aren't free to refuse to accept gay marriage by refusing to serve a gay wedding either, we are subject to penalties for acting on our religious belief.
Correct, no religious belief justifies breaking the law.
It really is that simple Faith, Thank God!
Faith writes:
As for abortion, we aren't free to withhold our tax support for the murdering of babies though, are we? We are FORCED to fund this evil "service."
Fortunately in the US Faith, the only tax dollars used to murder babies is called the military budget and even there it is stupid to call it murder. Abortion in the US is not murder and those that use that term are at best ignorant, possibly deluded but most likely just lying.

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jar
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Message 940 of 1484 (803782)
04-04-2017 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 939 by Faith
04-04-2017 9:08 PM


Re: ICANTs concept of establishing a religion
Faith writes:
Sure, well I guess we COULD call a beheading tickling the throat," or violent gang rape "the hokey pokey," or The Rack a medical treatment? Why not, word magic is really very effective at denying freedoms and covering up crimes and the like.
Yes, in the US you are free to say things as stupid as that, but it does not alter the fact that while beheading (in most cases; there can be accidental beheadings) and rape are identified as crimes and torture is illegal, abortion is still not murder.
Reality once again says you are wrong Faith.
AbE:
Faith writes:
And of course we mustn't ever break the law by for instance saving a Jew from the concentration camp?
Once again Faith, it has been said that no one's religious beliefs justify breaking the law. There can be simple humanitarian reasons to save Jews, particularly from Christian pogroms.
Edited by jar, : see AbE
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jar
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Message 942 of 1484 (803786)
04-04-2017 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 941 by Faith
04-04-2017 9:23 PM


Re: ICANTs concept of establishing a religion
Faith writes:
There are simple humanitarian reasons for saving unborn babies from the abortion slaughterhouse.
Once again Faith, it seems that language is another thing you need to learn. Abortions are not performed on unborn babies or in a slaughterhouse.
BUT... the nut jobs that are Right To Lifer have yet to propose the reasonable solution; to step up and adopt and raise and support those fetuses that might get aborted.
It really is that simple Faith.
Edited by jar, : left out "that are"

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jar
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Message 947 of 1484 (803812)
04-05-2017 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 945 by Faith
04-05-2017 2:28 AM


Re: weird accusations of pro-lifers etc
Faith writes:
So if I'm unable to adopt a child due to my age and my physical problems I'm not allowed to object to the murder of the unborn?
We are all opposed to murder Faith. But abortion is not murder.
Faith writes:
And quite frankly it also seems to me that common sense would tell a person that marriage is for a man and a woman not two of the same sex -- why is this only an issue for "religious" people?
Again Faith, your common sense may well be common but that does not make it right. Same-sex marriage is not a problem for all religious people, only a few. Divorced people getting married is a problem for some folk. Inter-racial marriage is a problem for some folk.
There is no Constitutional right to not be bothered.

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jar
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Message 949 of 1484 (803836)
04-05-2017 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 948 by NoNukes
04-05-2017 8:48 AM


Re: weird accusations of pro-lifers etc
NN writes:
Almost no aborted fetuses were viable.
Are you saying that they really aren't sweet little unborn babies and really would not grow up to be sweet little born babies?
This is the basic dishonesty or the ProLife movement.
Those folk who do have abortions are almost always as Pro Life as any of the "ProLife" cult. They agonize over the decision and suffer over the choices. It is not an issue of being in favor of life or opposed to life but rather an issue of trying to save lives.
Before abortion was decriminalized abortions still took place. But those abortions were often done by people with little or no medical training in unsanitary conditions and without the proper implements and with none of the emergency facilities needed should anything go wrong. There was no medical followup after the abortion and certainly no counseling at all.
At that time abortions really were often done in slaughterhouses and lots of the women suffered and died or ended up unable to every have a child.
Re-criminalizing abortion will not stop or even cut down abortions but most certainly will increase suffering and deaths.

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jar
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Message 952 of 1484 (803877)
04-05-2017 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by Faith
04-05-2017 12:03 PM


Re: weird accusations of pro-lifers etc
Faith writes:
It is a really strange delusion some people get into over this "difficult choice to make" idea as if murdering your child could ever be an option, difficult or not, if you really understood that it IS murder.
Yet once again, reality says you are wrong. In the US today abortion is not murder no matter how many times to claim it is.
Faith writes:
Yes there were unfortunate conditions for abortions before they were decriminalized but the number attempted under those conditions must have been far far short of the fifty million or so that have been racked up under Roe v Wade.
Yet once again, that is simply an unsupported assertion combined with propaganda from the Right To Life cult.

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jar
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Message 955 of 1484 (803883)
04-05-2017 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 953 by Faith
04-05-2017 12:25 PM


Re: weird accusations of pro-lifers etc
Faith writes:
"Intentional ...killing...of....human... being" = murder. Second degree perhaps? But killing a human being, at any stage of life, any, is killing a human being, and calling it something else is just a lie.
Yet the fact remains, in the US abortion is not murder.
Faith writes:
And surely it must be true that if pregnant women were truthfully informed that it IS a human being the abortion rate would go way down.
Yet the fact remains that a fetus is not a human being.
Faith writes:
At this time in history after decades of legal abortion we should have learned enough to be able to provide social services that make abortion unnecessary.
Yet the fact remains that particularly in the US Conservative Christians have opposed all efforts to create such social services like Planned Parenthood and early sex education in the schools and making contraceptives readily and freely available.
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jar
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Message 967 of 1484 (803974)
04-06-2017 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 964 by Dredge
04-06-2017 5:51 AM


Again, you are simply showing your ignorance. Yes, dictators and tyrants and even democratically elected Presidents can commit genocide and no group has ever been as efficient at genocide as Christianity; but that is not communism.
But you and Faith still need to show any evidence that Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity.

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jar
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Message 991 of 1484 (804326)
04-08-2017 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 985 by Faith
04-07-2017 10:25 PM


Faith writes:
You are of course glossing over the main point, which is that the doctrine of evolution actively destroys traditional morality.
And as expected you have not shown there is anything called traditional morality or that evolution has in anyway effected that critter.
Sorry Faith but there is no such thing as "traditional morality".
Nor has evolution destroyed morality. In fact the argument can be made that society is far more moral today than Jesus was.

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jar
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Message 992 of 1484 (804327)
04-08-2017 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 986 by Faith
04-07-2017 10:40 PM


Fath writes:
The only way you "can still follow Jesus" while believing evolution is true is by denying a lot of the written Word that Jesus considered to be God's word, and making a "leap" of faith that has no solid ground to land on. Evolution eliminates the whole first eleven chapters of Genesis, which are foundational to salvation in Christ. Beyond that its affinity with liberalism which is also man-centered thinking, is part of the kind of thinking that denies most of the rest of Biblical history as well.
Objectively speaking, it's either the word of God or it's evolution. Compromises are made, but they aren't justifiable by any standard of truth.
Thank God. It's about time all learned that all of the Bible is simply the work of man and acknowledge the contradictions, factual errors and fantasies it contains. We know a whole lot more today than Jesus knew.

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jar
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Message 995 of 1484 (804341)
04-08-2017 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 993 by Faith
04-08-2017 9:46 AM


Faith writes:
Considering that He's God and knows absolutely everything, that's an amazing claim.
Yet the Bible shows he did not know everything and was even wrong at times.

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jar
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Message 996 of 1484 (804344)
04-08-2017 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 994 by Faith
04-08-2017 9:54 AM


Faith writes:
Murder is now morally acceptable for instance; fornication, adultery, divorce, gay marriage are all now acceptable, even "more moral" as you say.
There you go lying yet again. Murder is not morally acceptable today in the US. Fornication and adultery are not morally acceptable today in the US. Even Jesus said that at time divorce was okay. And gay marriage is a great example of a much higher morality than in the past.

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jar
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Message 998 of 1484 (804346)
04-08-2017 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 997 by Faith
04-08-2017 10:42 AM


Faith writes:
See Message 983 for the way I used the terms and stop calling me a liar.
But you continue to tell lies Faith. When you lie about what words mean it is still a lie even if you believe you are right.

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jar
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Message 1001 of 1484 (804356)
04-08-2017 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 999 by Faith
04-08-2017 10:46 AM


Faith, when you claim the Bible is inerrant and without error then you are simply showing your ignorance.
When you claim the earth is young or that one of the Biblical flood myths actually happened you are simply showing your ignorance.
When you say we cannot say what happened in the past you are simply showing your ignorance.
When you say Roman Catholics are not Christians you are simply showing your ignorance.
But when you say "Murder is now morally acceptable for instance; fornication, adultery, divorce, gay marriage are all now acceptable, even "more moral" as you say." you are just plain lying.
It really is that simple Faith.

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 1157 of 1484 (835377)
06-22-2018 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1152 by Faith
06-22-2018 6:47 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Sins are nobodies business but the sinner.
The Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty needs to be laughed outta Dodge.
It's time to assign the pitiful God they market to the trash bin.

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