Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.

We can't say we love unicorns and leprechauns or find rainbows beautiful even though they really don't exist?

I am not asking anyone to consider my position, I am only pointing out what is actually written in the Bible stories. I know it is totally irrelevant to the topic and so not worth addressing.The topic has to do with explaining morals Dawn not you conjob carny games.And morality is easy to explain; it is a set of guidelines created by humans (and maybe other species) to facilitate a culture and society.

Once again, you simply are making false and unfounded assertions. the Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with morality and society today is certainly more moral than the God described in the Bible stories or any Biblical God given morality. But even the Bible says that man has all the capabilities to determine morality and even must sometimes educate and correct the Biblical God character when it is about to behave immorally.But your biggest error when it comes to morality it seems is in not understanding that morality is a joint communal agreement about a set of rules. It is a consensus of opinions.

First, morality is simply a human concept and construct. There is no actual thing "morality", it is only a position agreed upon within a given segment of society.The God character in the Bible is certainly at best amoral, more often immoral and almost never portrayed as a moral character.But that is because those descriptions reflect the God created by the authors of those passages.But learning does get passed from people to people and from generation to generation. It is passed on by the elders teaching and instructing the youth and then modified by those youths as they grow, experience and hopefully mature. In the beginning it was passed on by oral history and by demonstration, by example. Today it can also be passed on through written and video communication; but the best, most effective means remains by example.

Yawn.Sorry but worth and value constructs created and determined by thinking individuals and often collated by communities of such thinking individuals.In the case of humans the worth or value of something is determined and determined under a variety of different systems.Yes, there are societies whose morality does consider any living thing to have equal value. A great example can be found in several Buddhist sects where they sweep the ground before them as they walk to try to make sure no living thing gets stepped on.On the other hand, the Judaic based religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity place a far lower value on life.Morality, worth, value are all simply subjective constructs with little or no objective reality.

That is not a point, it is a falsehood. It is an unsupported assertion you make but that's about it.Morality is a human (and other animals) construct and has nothing to do with either the fact of evolution or the Theory of Evolution. Sorry but that is simply a stupid statement.

I wonder if Dredge is willing to swap a pound of the arranged atoms that we call "Gold" for a pound of the arranged atoms that we call "manure"?

Sorry but you really haven't read the Bible have you Faith. The God portrayed in the Bible stories is a viscous genocidal monster that does not think people are important.

Yawn.Guess what Faith? The rest of us have absolutely no problem understanding morality which is why even the greatest criminals of the last few hundred years have been far more moral than the God described in many of the Bible stories.Edited by jar, : there is no 9 in is

Are you really asking such stupid questions?Stop, re-read what you posted, and then see if the answer is not obvious.If by chance the answer is not obvious repeat step one.What does that have to do with morality?

I'm sorry but that is just another example of your abysmal ignorance. Science says nothing about morals. Morals are the construct of thinking beings. Plus the God described in the Bible says that humans have the same capability to know right from wrong as God does.Have you ever read the Bible?Humans have and do determine morality and thank God we are more moral than the God in the Biblical fables. Again, it is only the ignorant that claim science contradicts morality.And of course it is more than just my opinion; the immorality of the God character in the Bible is supported by the testimony of the people who wrote the Bible fables.But wait, there is more. The Genocidal God character in the Bible killed off everything, humans, bugs, little kids, unborn feti with no more consideration for humans than for any other critters.And it's not a matter of what I think; I simply report what is written in the Bible.

Aw.. does the little human animal feel dissed and demoted?Well guess what Faith...it is irrelevant what if you feel dissed or demoted.The fact is that humans are just animals. No Faith, it is simply your imagination. The rest of us understand that science does not make humans less, rather it raises us to equality with the worms and pond scum.

Yay! Hooray! Finally you get something right.There is no objective standard for assessing worth or morality. Both worth and morality are subjective human construct.We have only been saying that since the beginning of the thread.

Of course the God in the Bible said just the opposite, instead of any "fall" God said man had become just like God.It is only those who pervert the Bible that market the idea of some "fall".

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And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

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All morals are subjective, which is partly why almost everyone in the world today is more moral than the God described in the Bible.