Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

I believe you are wrong about The Branch. It's identified as singular for one thing, as He, not as two. And it's always considered to be a metaphor for the Messiah, a branch that grows up from the root of David."Vine" on the other hand usually stands for Israel, although Jesus did use it for Himself in "I am the Vine, you are the branches." Here's a referenceEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Vine is the Lord, and not a worldly country..... for as He said, I AM THE VINE, and as his angel said These are the TWO BRANCHES, referring to the two olive branches or two prophets or two pillars, or two candlesticks as mentioned in the Lord's End Time prophecies.2WitnessesofRevelationBoazandJachinPillarsSo I would say the Branch, in almost all cases represents End Time King David.But the best verses illustrating this is probably in the major prophets .... two branches, two staves, branch of beauty if my memory is right, or something similiar, so I shall try to get back to you on this other confirming passage of the two branches becoming one.

Hi again Faith, Yes, its about the two branches in Zechariah 11, and as you probably know Zechariah is a perfect match with Revelation 11, the two end time prophets, two not one. ...a king and a priest or priestess.One bands, one BEAUTY... ahh beauty.So read again Zechariah 11 with Revelation 11... ythan possibility reconsider the great possibility.Thanks(Whoops pushed the wrong response button, Im a bit of a creature of habit, the GENERAL BUTTON did not work for my first week HERE, as well as the reply button at the end of posters message, until I got full membership or something like that, so I disregarded the GENERAL REPLY ever since. Shall relearn the procedure)

Yes there are references to two branches of an olive tree in Zechariah but that's not the same thing as The Branch which is singular and refers to the Messiah, which is particularly clear in Jeremiah 33:15: HE shall execute.... doesn't suggest two, but only one.I haven't done a comparison of Zech 11 with Rev 11, maybe later.There is a reference to Israel as the Vine in Psalm 80: Israel was not a worldly nation in the Old Testament, it was God's Chosen People.I agree that Jesus refers to Himself as the Vine in at least that one place, and Israel is also referred to as a Vineyard in the New Testamen, the vineyard that brought forth bad fruit.There are lots of interesting ways such images are used in the Bible and I certainly don't know them all, but I did know that The Branch, singular, refers to the Messiah. I've wondered about the two olive trees in Zechariah, certainly something to be studied.ABE: The reply button you want is the one at the bottom right of the post you are replying to.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Your ignorance of prophecy doesnt negate Jesus fulfilling ALL Messianic Prophecy including the exact year of His Birth

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Your ignorance of prophecy does not change the fact that there is no such prophecy or any way of knowing the exact year of Jesus' birth.I suggest you go away and do some real research instead of embarrassing yourself with these displays of ignorance.

Faith, thats another verse about the End Time King David, Hes from the his loins, a mere person, a descendant of King David of Old. Jesus was not a sinner, and not a servant, and below the level of God, but is God and is the VINEOur prophet and king of the End Time is a mere man like King David of old. Jesus promised King David that a descendant of His would follow in the End Time.Consider reading and studying all the End Time King David verses hereeinEndtimeKingdavidorTherewillbetwopeophetsEdited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Challenge me, Paul K have some courage and ask for a new TOPIC on the exact year of Jesus birth, exact as in EXACT.
Your mouth is running so back it up, have some faith in your not so bright denials.Just ask the Administraters to allow a new TOPIC at NEW PROPOSED TOPICS.I and any Christian or any studied person can easily do the math, and calculate from known confirmed dates, and then absoluterly prove the year of Jesus' BIRTH.Have some testicles or ovaries, and challenge me... or keep your frontal gates closed.Whewee, this is the basic prophecy of all time...and the basic design for all of the End Time.Thanks for mentioning it !!!!!

OK Faith you know there are two end time prophets, so now consider that they have two united but separate ministries. One is the King the other is the Priest or Priestess of the Temple (or more appropriately the Tabernacle).It has to follow the pattern of the pastDavid and Nathaniel
Joshua and Zerbubabal
Boaz and Joahim
Moses and AaronOur King David must judge His people as did Moses. The Priest or Priestess is not the judge but is in charge of the Tabernacl;e in the wilderness.Think End Time, and our fleeing to the wilderness and our having the TWO as our dual leadership........

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Challenge me, Paul K have some courage and ask for a new TOPIC on the exact year of Jesus birth, exact as in EXACT.

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Oh, so you don't have the guts to create your own topic ?The simple fact is that the Gospels of Luke and Matthew disagree on the birth date and nobody else gives any information at all.

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I and any Christian or any studied person can easily do the math, and calculate from known confirmed dates, and then absoluterly prove the year of Jesus' BIRTH.

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No, they can't. They might be able to play silly games with numbers that can't be known to be right or even relevant. But that is all. You don't have the numbers. And let's not forget that we've seen you botch a calculation here and dishonestly tried to ignore it when it was pointed out.

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Whewee, this is the basic prophecy of all time...and the basic design for all of the End Time

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No wonder that you keep getting the date of the end wrong, then. Last time you were here you said it would be 2011, you still have a web page up saying it would start this year and I see signs of at least one earlier date. So much for your "exact" mathematics.Daniel 7 is about events from the second century BC. If you did some real research instead of relying on people who try to force fit the text to their own ideas you would know that.

Where do either of them even mention the birth date?

Matthew has Jesus born late in the reign of Herod the Great (made absolutely clear by Matthew 2:22 if there is any doubt). Luke has the birth occur during the census of Quirinius (Luke2:2) which took place shortly after the removal of Herod's successor, Archelaus.(As a side note Herod the Great's realm was divided after his death, Archelause ruled a large part of it until he was deposed by Rome)

I'm with Faith on this. The "branch" is Jesus. In fact, "branch" is the root of "Nazarene" and "Nazareth" in the NT (though few know this). So when Matthew says that "He shall be called a Nazarene", he is saying "he shall be called the Branch" and is referring back to OT prophecies: Is 11:1 and Is 6:13.
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Thanks for that reminder. I'd completely forgotten it's the root of Nazarene.

Jewish people didnt want a seemingly weak and loving messiah, they wanted a political deliverer, and so of course missed the true Messiah, who came to deliver all mankind not just them.Jews are just people no better than any other person. No race, or religious parentage, or so called bloodlines ever helped anyone. Thats racism, thats evolution doctrine, that they are superior genetically than others. Untrue. We are all equal, thats CHRISTIANITY, thats fair, thats just.Dont worship a people or a group, thats elitism. Jews think they are better than others, and stupid church people feel inferior and so they tend to agree with Jewish thoughts and false superiority.JESUS fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies..... but you all are screwing up all sorts of wierd prophecies trying to deny the obvious fulfillments of JESUSProofofJesusDivinityMessianicPropheciesfulfilledbyJesusOK This thread has been won by the Lord.Its over.... Jesus wins again.Deny all you want folks, it doesnt take away from the fact that JESUS fulfilled ALL as in ALL and EVERYONE of the MESSIANIC PROPHECIES including the exact year of His DEATH in Daniel 9But then again, no one HERE knows any math that I know of, and are afraid of it..Daniel9TimeProphecy

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