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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sheesh.
More nonsense and irrelevancy.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is so funny is all the folk posting about what the authors of the passages used as prophesy thought or intended. That of course is irrelevant. Jews decided about 2000 years ago that Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah and that has still not changed.
The issue is whether or not the Christian Apologists that try to connect Jesus with passages from the Jewish writings can support their assertions. So far I have never found any capable of making a convincing argument supporting Jesus fulfilling Old Testament passage that was not patently and intentionally contrived.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Ringo writes: jar writes:
I grew up with the assumption that Jesus was the Messiah. We went to a performance of Handel's Messiah every Christmas. (I still play the CD at Christmas.) So far I have never found any capable of making a convincing argument supporting Jesus fulfilling Old Testament passage that was not patently and intentionally contrived. But the more you look at it, the clearer it is that it's reverse engineering. Sadly so. It is a forced attempt to pretend that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah when all that is needed is a celebration of a Christian Messiah. It is a mighty effort to create a failure. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin might ----> mightyMy Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet you have still failed to show any evidence of any such prophecies, rather all you have done is pervert what is written and taken passages out of context. You are still trying the old Carny Con game of palming the pea and misdirection but unfortunately for you there are people here who actually read the Bible and know you are just making stuff up.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is no such thing as the Christos Angle except in the delusions of some Christian nutjobs.
There is nothing in the Book of Micah about Jesus except in the delusions of some Christian nutjobs. Sorry Charley, you lose.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The idea that Giza is some center of the landmass of the Earth is yet another vestige of ignorance. It was based on old maps and old data. Today, with GIS, GPS and computer mapping systems a far more precise and accurate positioning can be achieved and it turns out that the Centroid of all land mass is actually on the eastern coast of Romania, most likely at the Esmahan Sultan Mosque built by the daughter of Selim II.
And the Great Pyramid at Giza still has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus or why he failed to fulfill the messianic prophecies.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Davidjay writes: The Christ Triangle of the Great Pyramid absolutely confirms Jesus ministry and time frames.. There is no such thing except in the minds of the deluded and con men.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Bullshit.
Simply Bullshit. Nothing but Bullshit. And again it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Jesus is not, was not, will never be the Hebrew Messiah.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is nothing related to Jesus in Daniel 9. Only a dishonest apologist can pretend Daniel is about Jesus.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I'd say the entire evangelical Church regards Daniel 9 as a prophecy of the timing of the coming of the Messiah, also most other branches of Protestantism. I'm sure that won't stop you from calling all of us "dishonest apologists" of course. Correct on both points. Edited by jar, : fix quote
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: According to Larson's study, that wasn't the reason they traveled to Bethlehem; it was the conjunction of Jupiter with Venus, making the brightest celestial object in a lifetime. Larsen may well be a great lawyer but either he is utterly ignorant about star gazing or utterly dishonest. The facts are that even if Jupiter did appear over Bethlehem (something impossible to determine by people distant from Bethlehem) within six hours it would no longer be over Bethlehem but rather at the horizon. The video is a classic example of "Preaching to the Choir" and marketing to those who have decided to be willfully ignorant. There are a very limited number of stars or other objects that remain in any one direction even in the sky and none that remain over any one spot on earth. The video is only evidence that there really is a sucker born every minute.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: GOOD GRIEF! WATCH THE VIDEO fer cryin out loud! There is no point in having an opinion when you don't know what Larson took into account, and I can't spell it ALL out for you. He did plenty of research to put that thing together, both about astronomical events and about the Bible. GO WATCH THE VIDEO before you start accusing him of all the usual perfidies you assign to Christians! I've done better Faith; I've actually watch the night skies. And I do not assign perfidies to Christians since I myself am a Christian. What I try to do is to point out the perversion of reality and the Bible and history and biology and astronomy that many ignorant Christians post. He made shit up and the willfully ignorant bought what he marketed. Stop watching videos and start watching reality.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Watching the night sky isn't going to do one thing toward understanding what Larson did. Of course it did. It certainly provided convincing evidence the man is just making shit up, has no understanding of reality, of Earth movement or objects in the sky at night. He may not be a fool since folk actually watch his silly video but that does not change the fact that it is simply absurd. Sorry Faith but once again Reality trumps Fantasy Videos.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: ABE: He also says that this particular conjunction is shown in planetariums at Christmas time, which if so would imply it is considered to have been something special. The something special is that it can be marketed. Just like Santa with the bucket collecting coins. Put Jesus on one corner with a bucket and Santa on the other corner and guess who will collect the most money?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Also the Magi are depicted as educated people. Even at the time of Christ and for thousands of years before Christ people understood celestial movements. A great example is the racetrack at Stonehenge which was built right around the time the Garden of Eden was supposed to exist.
The Magi would have been way to smart to try to follow the planet Jupiter anywhere and from a distance of 700 miles away it would be impossible to tell that it was over any given place. Regardless, as far as the Magi were concerned any town on any line made between where they were and where Jupiter appeared during the observation would be valid. The story is pure folk myth.
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