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NoNukes
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Message 751 of 763 (804463)
04-09-2017 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by LamarkNewAge
04-09-2017 2:48 PM


Re: NoNukes got this one this time when he indicated our general inabilities to detect st
The investigation of the historic record will, among other things, lead to details about who exactly lobbied for the legislature to make the public policy.

The topic is Trump, and in particular whether Trump is susceptible to bribing/lobbying. Why wouldn't I have been talking about that?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 752 of 763 (804465)
04-10-2017 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 751 by NoNukes
04-09-2017 11:50 PM


Re: NoNukes got this one this time when he indicated our general inabilities to detect st
You said we would have trouble knowing, right?

Honestly, special interests run wild, and a disaster is what causes certain ones to get noticed.

You asked Marc how on earth he would possibly know just what is going on.

Nobody makes much of an issue with what always goes on (albeit in dark) - or I should say that the larger public fails to - until something so bad happens that we are forced to notice WHO exactly pushed for the specific law changes to affect the general outcome.

That would include the role the special interests had in their dealings with the POTUS.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 753 of 763 (804491)
04-10-2017 11:41 AM
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04-10-2017 12:09 AM


Re: NoNukes got this one this time when he indicated our general inabilities to detect st
You said we would have trouble knowing, right?

Marc9000 said that Trump was unlikely to take money from special interests because he had donated a few 100Gs grand in salary. I suggested that we would have trouble knowing Trump's tendencies. The reason is because we don't know what Trump's financial interests are.

Of course, when you don't follow the discussion, everything is an invitation for a nonsequitur.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 754 of 763 (804730)
04-12-2017 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by petrophysics1
03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would.

Well, today was anpther banner day for NOT doing what he said he would do. Just look at his U-turns on NATO, China, Russia and Syria.

JB


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Message 755 of 763 (804731)
04-12-2017 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by petrophysics1
03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would.

"On day one of a Trump administration, the US Treasury Department will designate China a currency manipulator." --- Donald J. Trump, op-ed in Wall St. Journal, Nov. 9, 2015.


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Message 756 of 763 (804872)
04-13-2017 8:01 PM


how can he be so clueless?
From a www.vox.com on the Wall Street Journal interview (behind pay wall).
http://www.vox.com/...279654/trump-north-korea-xi-10-minutes

“After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” the president told the Journal. “I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. ... But it’s not what you would think.”

Even I knew that China is afraid of a collapsing North Korea with hordes of malnourished, under-educated Koreans flooding across their land border. That China and the Il-sung family have conflict of the nature of socialism/communism.

How can he go into such an important meeting so ignorant? That he showed his ignorance to his rival is appalling. Did he go into real estate deals so badly informed?


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NoNukes
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Message 757 of 763 (804888)
04-13-2017 10:07 PM
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04-13-2017 8:01 PM


Re: how can he be so clueless?
“After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” the president told the Journal. “I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea.

Ouch. Who has been briefing this man? First, he is surprised that national healthcare is difficult. Now he is grasping, apparently for the first time, that North Korea is a sovereign nation with priorities different than China's?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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ramoss
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Message 758 of 763 (804953)
04-14-2017 12:30 PM
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04-10-2017 11:41 AM


Re: NoNukes got this one this time when he indicated our general inabilities to detect st
One thing that I find amusing it according the rules, the president and vice president are audited by the IRS, 100% chance.
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Message 759 of 763 (805138)
04-16-2017 8:52 AM


Trump's lawyers and really stupid filings.
Back in Message 687 and Message 689 we commented on how utterly sophomoric and stupid the Trump lawyers' arguments on why Trump should not be sued for inciting violence but it seems there is no limit to their stupidity.

The latest iteration of play ground bully tactics and despotic behavior is their claim that Trump is immune to being sued because he won the election. It's fine if his Brown Shirts beat up a few people because he is now the Fuhrer.

quote:
“Mr. Trump is immune from suit because he is President of the United States,” his lawyers wrote Friday, rebutting a complaint filed by three protesters who claimed Trump incited a riot against them at a Louisville event in March 2016.

quote:
And in another new filing in the same case, a Trump supporter accused of assaulting protesters agreed with the plaintiffs that Trump wanted a riot — while denying he actually harmed anyone.

Alvin Bamberger, who was seen in a video pushing a protester through a jeering crowd at the Louisville convention center, “would not have acted as he did without Trump and/or the Trump Campaign’s specific urging and inspiration,” Bamberger's lawyer wrote.

Bamberger denied “shoving … and striking” anyone, as the lawsuit accuses him of. But he admitted to touching plaintiff Kashiya Nwanguma, a 21-year-old college student who had gone to the rally with a protest sign.

And he accepted as true her claims that Trump's speech “was calculated to incite violence” against the protesters.


quote:
“I'd like to punch him in the face,” Trump once said of a protester at a rally in Las Vegas, for example.

A week later, when protesters interrupted Trump in Louisville, the candidate responded with scattered commands: “Get them out,” “Get him the hell out,” “Don't hurt them.”

“If I say, ‘Don’t hurt them,’ then the press says, ‘Well, Trump isn’t as tough as he used to be,' " he said at one point.



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Message 760 of 763 (805213)
04-16-2017 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 755 by Dr Adequate
04-12-2017 8:05 PM


Trump and Chinese currency - a story of getting an education in reality.
I scanned over my past posts and was shocked to see that I did not comment on his fallacious and often repeated campaign blather that China supposedly undervalues it's currency. Every informed person has long feared that Chinese currency is not only propped up but could ( in a nightmare scenario ) actually loose half its value - among all the various possibilities.

Barron's April 17 2017 has an article on the large flip flops of the previous week.

quote:

Key Reversals
by Randall W. Forsyth
....
For those whose focus is the financial markets, Trump provided several head-snaping reversals. Perhaps most prominent - but upon reflection, least surprising - is that he no longer deems China to be a currency manipulator.

....

As for Beijing's alleged manipulation of its currency, the yuan, there was no reversal, but rather a reflection of reality, even if that wasn't acknowledged.
....
The People's Bank of China spent about $1 trillion of its foreign reserves ( which still total a formidable $3 trillion ) to keep the yuan from falling against the greenback...

As for the dollar overall, Trump reiterated that it is "getting too strong," which, with characteristic modesty, he partially attributed to a surge of confidence that he had inspired.


An absolute idiot.

He seems to want to risk our ability to get loans at super low interest rates, which is the best thing going for our treasury, but he seems oblivious to the issue of the amazingly low interest payments we get away with for such a massive ( 20 trillion bucks worth of) national debt.

He seems to want a 20% BAT added to the price of all imports PLUS a weaker dollar to boot.

I wonder if he thinks this kind of race to the bottom will really not collapse the entire world economy and cost us all kinds of jobs (export related jobs especially ) and an unheard of deficit explosion . A trade war is the cheapest old school pile of proven destruction that nobody should be so crappy to even think about doing ( much less actually DOING) .

He feels that building a (trade)wall will eventually bring back so many jobs that he can just ignore an exploding debt and currency crash. He imagines a new domestic economic order where we isolate ourselves from the world and enjoy low unemployment and adequate purchasing power despite a ruined currency.

If he gets his way then get ready for a dangerous ride home while we crash and burn along the way (yes he thinks we will still make it to the destination - have our car and life while our guts and bolts are scattered along the highway miles from home )

Historians will look back and ask just how many years of misery he expected to be able to sustain before the ( trade war induced ) jobs magically appeared after he magically invoked his manipulation to bring back the old industry he fondly imagines will bring America to some sort of fairy tale la la dreamland or whatever sort of warped fantasy he ponders.

This guy reminds me of Pinky and the Brain.

"Pinky, are you pondering what I am pondering? "

"I think so brain, but this time you wear the pink bib"

"NO PINKY! We take over the world! "

Trump has proven "animaniac" level knowledge of the world he wants to reform. Steve Bannon gave a speech to CPAC and it was loony toons crazy. I suggest people read the transcript. He literally talks about a creative destruction of the economy.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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Message 761 of 763 (805232)
04-16-2017 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by LamarkNewAge
04-16-2017 9:05 PM


Re: Trump and Chinese currency - a story of getting an education in reality.
You give him a lot more credit than I do. He is just stupid. He has no idea what effect a trade war and/or BAT might have. He hasn't thought of any effects, bad or good.
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Message 762 of 763 (805902)
04-21-2017 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by petrophysics1
03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would.

Here is what Trump said he'd do in his first hundred days.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/...RU-102316-Contractv02.pdf


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NoNukes
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Message 763 of 763 (805909)
04-21-2017 12:51 PM


Trump's Korea Policy
Trump does not appear to have a policy, but he does seem to be doing a pretty good job of blundering about.

Last week he made statements to the effect that he had learned from China that the Korean peninsula used to be a part of China. Between that and his misstatements regarding the USS Carl Vincent heading to the area when the carrier was actually heading in the opposite direction, Trump has managed to put America first in comedy.

quote:
Not North Korea, Korea. And you know, you’re talking about thousands of years …and many wars. And Korea actually used to be a part of China

I would prefer that Trump actually do something funny and harmless like other presidents have done, like throwing up on the Japanese Prime Minister's shoes. Blunders of this nature are somewhat unsettling.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


    
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