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Author Topic:   What Do Europeans Think About Muslim Immigration?
Theodoric
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Message 46 of 52 (804608)
04-11-2017 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
04-11-2017 3:10 PM


Re: Go that woman !
She's the adult in that conflict.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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DrJones*
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Message 47 of 52 (804610)
04-11-2017 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
04-11-2017 3:10 PM


Re: Go that woman !
What are the protestors representing?

Sister-fucking hillbillies

What is she representing?

people that are not sister-fucking hillbillies

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Tangle
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Message 48 of 52 (804658)
04-11-2017 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
04-11-2017 3:10 PM


Re: Go that woman !
Faith writes:

She joined in when another woman yelled "Islamophobe" so she shares that attitude? Yet she's not wearing a hijab. She was born in the UK, identifies with the UK, she's not a recent immigrant. What is she representing? What are the protestors representing?

Decency.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Astrophile
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Message 49 of 52 (805324)
04-17-2017 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bluegenes
03-22-2017 8:27 AM


What Do Europeans Think About Muslim Immigration? According to research done last year by the Chatham House, most are not very keen on it, to put it mildly. In fact, most want a complete ban.
Chatham House asked 10,000 people (1000 from each of 10 EU countries) what they thought of the proposition:

quote:

All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped.

Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed.

Not all the inhabitants of mainly Muslim countries are Muslims. My late wife was a Malaysian, but she was a Christian. Also, there are about 170 million Muslims in India, which is not a mainly Muslim country; what do the people who want a ban intend to do about Indian immigration?


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bluegenes
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Message 50 of 52 (805464)
04-18-2017 4:57 PM
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04-17-2017 5:13 PM


Astrophile writes:

Not all the inhabitants of mainly Muslim countries are Muslims.

Indeed. Even Saudi Arabia, which reserves citizenship exclusively for Muslims, has non-Muslim inhabitants, and all the rest (I think) have non-Muslim citizens.

Astrophile writes:

My late wife was a Malaysian, but she was a Christian. Also, there are about 170 million Muslims in India, which is not a mainly Muslim country; what do the people who want a ban intend to do about Indian immigration?

I know both Malaysia and India personally, but I can't help you with your question, because I don't know whether most of that 55% would want to slap the ban on all Indians, or discriminate on religious grounds. I suspect that a lot of them want heavy restrictions on immigration anyway, regardless of who it is and where its from, and some research supports that. For example, in a survey in 2013, 70% of French thought there were too many foreigners in their country.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 51 of 52 (807115)
04-30-2017 11:52 PM


We, the people of the world, go to war over miscommunication's. The savages are who?
When we look at the Muslim issue, understand that we have targeted innocent Muslim civilians for decades and without relent or remorse. We had the Highway of Death in 1991 where U. S. Veterans have testified to having followed orders to gun down every last woman and child as they got off of a school bus on a road.

We never have apologized for it and they rightly interpret our attitude towards Muslim lives as indifferent at best. And that is putting our continuous actions and attitudes in the most mild and overly innocent light humanly possible.

The whole 1991 war was with a government we supported for nearly 30 years from 1963 to 1990.

And look at the background details that led to the war that killed 100,000 Muslim Iraqi's.

From an article in the April 22,2017 New York Times.

quote:

Charles A. Duelfer, a senior State Department official during Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait and the subsequent American intervention, was an author of a study with Stephen Benedict Dyson, a political scientist, on how the United States and Iraq had stumbled into conflict.

The war, they found, was largely a result of miscommunication. Saddam Hussein, Iraq's leader, believed he had signaled his intention to invade Kuwait and received no red light from the United States, which he considered a partner. The Americans misread his signals, as well as the calculus, clear in retrospect, that led him into Kuwait.

Mr. Duelfer and Mr. Dyson wrote that the episode highlighted the difficulty of signaling across nations as well as the stakes of getting it wrong, which they conclude happens frequently and sometimes with catastrophic consequences.


I still remember the historic 1992 Presidential election debate with Ross Perot and how he scolded his fellow conservative Republican President Bush over our ambassador giving Hussein the green light to invade Kuwait. Perot is a right wing militaristic Republican who always supports Republicans ( like G W Bush in 2000 and Romney after ).

We didn't cease the killings and "misunderstandings " for decades at least.

A soldier was discharged for refusing to kill a little Iraqi girl with a soccer ball last decade. He refused the "if it moves, it's a target " command.

Let us look in the mirror for once as Americans and perhaps the revolutionary concept (for the United States standards anyway ) of contrition and repentance will work wonders.

Let's try it.

Just once.

Might be an idea.

Really.


    
vimesey
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Message 52 of 52 (807573)
05-04-2017 5:04 AM


Macron v Le Pen - French Presidential election
This is an extract of the BBC's translation of some of Macron's words last night in the debate against the far right Le Pen (I can probably find the original French if anyone wants the exact words):

In a soft voice, Macron brutally lays into Le Pen.

"The country is not important to you, you don't have a project.

"Your campaign of lies and falsification feeds off fear. It is fear that nourishes you.

"I don't want this for France - it is worth more than that.

"I understand the anger of our fellow citizens. I want to bring a deep response.

"I want a France that is reconciled with itself and one that is truly transformed."

I wish the Remain side had had someone this eloquent and charismatic during the Brexit debate.

(That said, the French are generally well educated, well read and thoughtful, so a majority will understand and appreciate where he's coming from).


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

    
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