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Faith Member  Posts: 27661 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'd say the entire evangelical Church regards Daniel 9 as a prophecy of the timing of the coming of the Messiah, also most other branches of Protestantism. I'm sure that won't stop you from calling all of us "dishonest apologists" of course. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member  Posts: 30157 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 1.8 |
Correct on both points. Edited by jar, : fix quote
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PaulK Member Posts: 13784 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
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Faith Member Posts: 27661 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
And who are you to contradict the entire Church? Put "Daniel 9 prophecy" into Google to see some of the sources that recognize Daniel 9 as counting to the coming of Jesus Christ.
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PaulK Member Posts: 13784 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I don't. Who am I to contradict popular falsehoods ? Someone who has done the research and found the truth. It isn't hard to do. The lame excuses of the apologists are easy to see through with just a little digging. If you think that there are convincing arguments start a thread. I will take them down. And you have been here long enough to know that I am not bluffing.
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Faith Member Posts: 27661 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
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PaulK Member Posts: 13784 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
However since the evidence favours the scholarly view (that is WHY it is the view taken by scholars) naturally I favour it.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 74 days)  Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Why because it details in advance His EXACT Death Year, via 69 weeks. With the last week or seven years being the standard basic, time prophecy of Revelation, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Thessalonians, Mathew etc etc.... starting with the Covenant, the Easy to comprehend if you are open minded and know Grade Six Math. See you there. NO offense Faith, but you didnt want to discuss it before, why NOw. Nevertheless, see you there . The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay Suspended Member (Idle past 74 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Nevertheless even though it takes longer, do remember that multiplication is just addition, done in a faster way. But the basis is simply addition of numbers, or in this case exact years. Ill help you I promise. Dont be afraid, take the challenge and learn. Instead of being closed minded to science and math, open up your minds. . The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 164 days)  Posts: 846 Joined: |
That was like...2nd grade math for me. Guess this comment is a reflection of the educational quality of your childhood. Anyway, it'd be funny watching you debate an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, but I don't believe you can think past your emotions.
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Davidjay Suspended Member (Idle past 74 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Daniel 9 is exact, and evolutionists and athiests hate it and prophecy to the max, because it is an adictment against them, My estimation of Grade 6 Math needed for Daniel 9 is pretty closde, as then they start multiplication. Some of my grandchildren are doing this at present. Mind you, 3rd world schools are MUCH better mathematically than our new Math, anything close math, estimations, dont offend anyone Math being taught in Western schools. The West is so far behind, as they intentionally try to dumb down their children so they wont be intelligent enough to see through the lies of their parents, and rulers). So Yes, multiplication is more appropriate for doing the math in Daniel 9... you can do it Gen... just think back or get a refresher course. 69 times 7 = 483 PLUS 7 = 490 . The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay Suspended Member (Idle past 74 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
…3"Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me! 4"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, 5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?… Hahaha... the Lord says, buck up man, stand up you whimps.... Wait til you read onward, it looks like the Lord of Creation is very upset with you deniers and de**********. (PS Also do note that the Lord says directly that HE made the measurements... the distances , the speeds and times. the distances , the speeds and times. the distances , the speeds and times. the distances , the speeds and times. (See Tabernacle of the Sun, and Light Speed Design . The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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NoNukes Member  Posts: 10476 From: Central NC USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.0 |
Surely the Bible directly addresses practices of this nature. I'll certainly remember this, and likely bring it up again the next time you make claims about what constitutes good evidence. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Faith Member Posts: 27661 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
He's tracking down Biblical references, principally trying to find out what the "star" was that the wise men followed.* (He concludes it was a close conjunction of two planets that would have been very bright to the naked eye), and explains how it "stopped" over the town of Bethlehem. Besides the star he finds interesting celestial explanations for such things as the moon turning to blood according to biblical prophecy, and the woman in Revelation with twelve stars on her head and the moon at her feet. I'm not sure he's got all the timing right for the events he was looking for but there is no doubt this is a really interesting study that is based on what the wise men of the east would have seen in the sky in their day. Larsen has the interesting thought, by the way, that those wise men may have been from a Jewish school trained by the Prophet Daniel (who never left Babylon) -- because who but the Jews would be so interested in the birth of a Jewish King? Who knows, could be. ABE: * He tells the history of Kepler's search for the Star, and explains that he failed because of a wrong date given for Herod's death in the writings of Josephus. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member  Posts: 7421 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You can find stars above Bethlehem every night of every year.
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