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Author Topic:   Evidence for Evolution: Whale evolution
Pressie
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Message 74 of 443 (777174)
01-27-2016 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by TheArtist
01-19-2012 5:22 PM


Re: Creationist Scholarship At Its Finest
So, from the responses it seems as if you, TheArtist, didn't tell the truth about what was found in the pre-whale fossils.
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Pressie
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Message 75 of 443 (777175)
01-27-2016 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by TheArtist
01-19-2012 5:22 PM


Re: Creationist Scholarship At Its Finest
TheArtist writes:
Since this was the cause to some heated discussion I had taken the time to investigate this particular case. Unfortunately I could not find the true origin of this quote/reference but as I stated before this was most likely that the reference provided did not match the quote.
So, basically, you didn't tell the truth?

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Pressie
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Message 76 of 443 (777176)
01-27-2016 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by TheArtist
01-09-2012 3:51 PM


Re: Creationist Scholarship At Its Finest
[qs=TheArtist] I think your comments are uncalled for. [/qs=TheAtist]Nope. Untruths should be pointed out. Every time.
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Pressie
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Message 256 of 443 (803748)
04-04-2017 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Percy
04-04-2017 8:38 AM


Another creationist ignoring any form of scrutiny. Not surprised.

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Message 263 of 443 (803803)
04-05-2017 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Dredge
04-05-2017 4:26 AM


Re: This just in ...
Dredge writes:
You mentioned paleontology. There are so many grey areas, ambiguities and uncertainties associated with paleontology that the whole flaky mess hardly deserves to be called a science. It should come as no surprise that evolutionists love it so much, since it offers their vivid imaginations a lot of room for expression.
Oh, I don't know. Oil exploration companies employ lots of palaeontologists. Those companies do consider palaeontology one of the natural sciences. One of the hard sciences. Palaeontology is one of the basic sciences they are involved in.
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Pressie
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Message 268 of 443 (803808)
04-05-2017 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Dredge
04-05-2017 5:27 AM


Dredge writes:
In my post I said (or at least, meant to say) that species-to-species research has produced nothing of any practical use.
Not true. USING MICROFOSSILS IN PETROLEUM EXPLORATION . Oil exploration. Existing and extinct foraminifera species play an important part in oil exploration.
From there:
quote:
For paleoenvironmental analyses of Gulf of Mexico exploration, studies of the distribution of living benthic foraminifera (Poag, 1981; Pflum and Frerichs, 1976, Phleger and Parker, 1951) provide an excellent database. Using these studies and others, paleontologists constructed models for interpreting past Gulf of Mexico environments using fossil benthic foraminifera (Breard, Callender and Nault, 1993: Culver, 1988, Tipsworth et al., 1966). Wells drilled in Pleistocene and Pliocene age sediments encounter fossils of many extant species of benthic foraminifera and consequently paleoenvironmental interpretations are made with reasonable confidence. However, as wells are drilled deeper into older sediments, the percentage of extinct species encountered rises rapidly. In the older sediments paleoenvironments are more speculative, but can be inferred.
Commonly in Gulf Coast paleontology, ancient marine environments are related to interpreted water depths (paleobathymetry). This is an oversimplification because benthic foraminifera often respond to water conditions (temperature, salinity, dissolved oxygen, etc.) rather than to depth. However, there are over 40,000 wells drilled in the Gulf. By combining data from existing wells, it is possible to reconstruct the profile of the continental shelf and slope at various points in geologic time. Such paleogeographic maps, combined with seismic profiles and other geologic data sets, are the tools used in the search for hydrocarbons. It is paleontology that uniquely explains the element of geologic time and depositional environment to petroleum geology.
  —Brian J. O'Neill
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Pressie
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Message 270 of 443 (803810)
04-05-2017 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Dredge
04-05-2017 5:45 AM


Re: This just in ...
Dredge writes:
Ok, well thank you for that information. There must be at least some aspects of paleotology that are true and subsequently, useful. Even the theory of evolution contains some truth that is also useful - natural selection, for example.
Thank you for admitting reality. Natural selection (amongst others) indeed is very helpful in trying to explain how modern forms of life came to be here. Lots of evidence for natural selection. That's the first step in accepting reality.
Now, any evidence that species get poofed into existence?

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Message 273 of 443 (803972)
04-06-2017 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Dredge
04-06-2017 6:44 AM


Dredge writes:
you could wave a magic wand and remove from human consciousness the notion that species evolve from other species - evolution's core ingredient - it wouldn't make an iota of difference to anything pertaining to the real world.
Yet, we have seen species evolving into other species. Both in nature and in the lab. Right in front of our eyes. Also backed up by scientific evidence for those changes. You want to wish reality away?
Yet, we've never seen species being poofed into existence.
Now, what to believe? Spooks or reality or some guy writing on the internet not knowing what a species is and missed hundreds of years of basic experiments in speciation?.... I'd go for the science and think that Dredge is not to be trusted.

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Message 279 of 443 (804097)
04-07-2017 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by Davidjay
04-06-2017 11:42 PM


Davidjay writes:
Can an evolutionist or luck and chance specialist tell us how the whales
spout got on the top of its head. IE, did it move slowly to the top, or did a miraculously mutated whale finally mutate in one go, and have the spout just happen to get in the absolute right spot.
I know, artists pics and all, and supposed closeness of fish and dinosaurs, even though whales just happen to be mammals and have live births. Darn whales are miraculous Ehhh?
So do tell us how the whales evolved ? Slow sequential partial mutations, or one giant leap out of the water mutation where all features made them mamalian with nice spouts nicely situated on the tops of their heads.
Were the mutations fast or slow ?
Were whales in the ark?
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Pressie
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Message 281 of 443 (804114)
04-07-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by Davidjay
04-06-2017 11:42 PM


So, Davidjay. Any scientific evidence that whales were poofed into existence?

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Pressie
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Message 415 of 443 (805363)
04-18-2017 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 414 by Dredge
04-17-2017 8:49 PM


Sure. I can. Changes in the inherited characteristics of populations occur frequently. In labs and in the field.
No species has ever been witnessed to be poofed into existence.

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Pressie
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Message 422 of 443 (805527)
04-19-2017 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 417 by Dredge
04-19-2017 2:33 AM


Dredge writes:
Going from observing small differences to claiming that the massive changes alleged in whale evolution is quite an extrapolation. How can you be certain that small observed changes mean unlimited change is possible? My nephew grew an inch taller in the last twelve months - does this mean he will grow one inch taller every year for the rest of his life?
This is how.
dr Adequate writes:
An understanding of the underlying mechanisms.....
Study the mechanisms to try and understand them.

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Pressie
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Message 424 of 443 (805543)
04-19-2017 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by Davidjay
04-19-2017 8:14 AM


You like word salads.

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Pressie
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Message 429 of 443 (805677)
04-20-2017 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by Dredge
04-20-2017 1:20 AM


This one is funny.
Dredge writes:
Recently I had a bizarre conversation with my chiropractor, who believes in evolution...
I think you made that one up. Scientific theories are not believed.
I don't believe in any scientific theory. I accept the findings of the hundreds of thousands of specialists on a subject, from all over the world, following scientific methods, to likely be relatively accurate in explaining reality.
It works very well in the field I'm in. Exploration and mining companies are pretty accurate in what they will find underground.

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