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Coyote
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Message 316 of 1352 (805714)
04-20-2017 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by Davidjay
04-20-2017 9:14 AM


Wrong agin
Biblically and geologically is the exact same thing.
Not quite.
One is a collection of old folk tales while the other is a rock-solid field of science.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 318 of 1352 (805720)
04-20-2017 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Davidjay
04-20-2017 9:56 AM


Re: Denial is not science... Continental Drift Hyper

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 348 of 1352 (805815)
04-20-2017 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by jar
04-20-2017 10:15 PM


Re: Twelve continuously occupied cities
In my area I have a major cluster of archaeological sites that were occupied before, during, and after the purported flood. I even have mtDNA that spans across the "exact" date we have been given for the flood. And that mtDNA isn't a haplotype from the Near East!
Researchers throughout the world have similar findings.
The evidence shows that a worldwide flood at about 4350 years ago never happened. Belief in such a flood is contradicted by real-world evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 361 of 1352 (805867)
04-21-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by Faith
04-21-2017 12:57 AM


Re: Twelve continuously occupied cities
Dating is not "real-world evidence."
Sure it is!
It is very fine evidence. Its too bad you won't allow yourself to accept it, as it is our key to understanding the past.
Without dating we are stuck with old folk myths about the past.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 371 of 1352 (805889)
04-21-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 366 by Davidjay
04-21-2017 11:14 AM


Velikovsky
Do you mean Velikovsky?
From the Wiki page:
Velikovsky's ideas have been almost entirely rejected by mainstream academia (often vociferously so) and his work is generally regarded as erroneous in all its detailed conclusions. Moreover, scholars view his unorthodox methodology (for example, using comparative mythology to derive scenarios in celestial mechanics) as an unacceptable way to arrive at conclusions. Stephen Jay Gould offered a synopsis of the mainstream response to Velikovsky, writing, "Velikovsky is neither crank nor charlatanalthough, to state my opinion and to quote one of my colleagues, he is at least gloriously wrong ... Velikovsky would rebuild the science of celestial mechanics to save the literal accuracy of ancient legends."
You could at least spell his name correctly.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 391 of 1352 (805921)
04-21-2017 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Davidjay
04-21-2017 1:03 PM


Re: Re:Stick to the Flood.....
The TOPIC is the GREAT FLOOD..........
The waters of the deep opened up, and pushed their level above the level of all mountain tops worldwide,
And this has been disproved for over 200 years, and all evidence so far still disproves it.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 425 of 1352 (806021)
04-22-2017 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by Faith
04-22-2017 7:58 AM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
...you ought to have the job of proving your dating methods to US
The dating methods have been "proved" to those who matter.
But "proving" those methods to creationists is impossible because creationists will not accept any evidence that disagrees with their religious beliefs.
Your request is a sham.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 430 of 1352 (806035)
04-22-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by Davidjay
04-22-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Continental Drift is written about in Days of Pegleg
You're not even amusing any longer.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 440 of 1352 (806085)
04-22-2017 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 439 by Faith
04-22-2017 10:16 PM


Re: Walther's Law shows simultaneous deposition & disproves principle of superposition
By being right and radiometric dating wrong.
Neither you nor any other creationist has been able to show where radiometric dating is so wrong that a young earth is even close to being feasible.
Your claims to the effect that radiometric dating is wrong are based on a-wishin' and a-hopin'.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 452 of 1352 (806170)
04-23-2017 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 451 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Continental Separation after Imagined Flood Not Confirmed
Since you're preaching in unsupported links, here's one back at you:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/...again-taken-for-granite

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 453 of 1352 (806171)
04-23-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coyote
04-05-2017 7:07 PM


Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer | National Center for Science Education
Pseudoscience differs from science in several fundamental ways but most notably in its attitude toward hypothesis testing. In science, hypotheses are ideas proposed to explain the facts, and they're not considered much good unless they can survive rigorous tests. In pseudoscience, hypotheses are erected as defenses against the facts. Pseudoscientists frequently offer hypotheses flatly contradicted by well-known facts which can be ignored only by well-trained minds. Therefore, to demonstrate that creationists are pseudoscientists, one need only carry some creationist hypotheses about Noah's flood to their logical conclusions. The following six arguments will do just that, giving a sampling of the major difficulties in creationist "flood geology."
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 456 of 1352 (806176)
04-23-2017 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
A hyperlink fight is not a debate.
My link was a response to your links in Message 451.
Or did you forget that you are the one "fighting with hyperlinks."

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 457 of 1352 (806177)
04-23-2017 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 12:03 PM


Get a grip!
Continental Drift is the subject
The title of the thread is "The TRVE history of the Flood..." I started the thread.
It is not up to you to change it when convenient.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 458 of 1352 (806179)
04-23-2017 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 12:03 PM


Debate this then...
A hyperlink fight is not a debate.
What if God Threw a Flood and No One Came?
What if God Threw a Flood and No One Came? | Cognitive Discopants
The folks over at Answers in Genesis recently tackled the question, When exactly was the Flood?. After consulting his Bible and with a little help from Bishop James Ussher, David Wright of AiG provides the answer:
Using the Bible, well-documented historical events, and some math, we find that the Flood began approximately 4,359 years ago in the year 1656 AM [anno mundi] or 2348 BC.
So there you have it. Only 8 people left alive on the planet in 2348 BC.
That got me thinking. What other well-documented historical events might have been going on in the 24th century BC? Let’s take a look
Mesopotamia
It must have come as a real shock to Noah and his children when, in 2334 BC — only 14 years after the flood — Sargon the Great began establishing the powerful Akkadian empire. This task involved defeating in battle a variety of Sumerian city states, some of which had populations in excess of 100,000 inhabitants (e.g. Lagash and Uruk). By the end of his reign (2279 BC), Sargon’s vast empire stretched from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf — basically the entire Fertile Crescent.
Such an empire only 69 years after the Flood is a feat indeed. But the real credit has to go to the four women on Noah’s ark. Barefoot and pregnant doesn’t begin to describe the work involved in repopulating the planet at the pace necessary to give Sargon armies to fight and people to rule.
Egypt
Down in Egypt, the United Kingdom established by Menes circa. 3000 BC was humming along nicely. By the time of Noah’s flood, the Egyptians were just wrapping up their 5th dynasty. Pharaoh Unas was, no doubt, quite perturbed to see his empire underwater, especially since he was in the middle of building a pyramid complex at Saqqara, which you can visit to this day.
Undeterred, the now soggy Egyptians moved seamlessly into the 6th dynasty with Pharaoh Teti at the helm. Teti built himself a nice pyramid complex too. Given that Teti came to power only 3 years after the global population was reduced to 8, you might have thought cheap labor for pyramid building would be hard to come by. Nonetheless, even Teti’s high court officials were building themselves massive funerary monuments during his reign.
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 462 of 1352 (806207)
04-23-2017 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 460 by CRR
04-23-2017 6:04 PM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
An interesting article, Coyote. Out of those six, which do you think is the best, the strongest, the most unanswerable?
I'm not geologist, so one of them will have to answer this specific question.
But as an archaeologist the evidence is clear--there was no global flood around 4350 years ago. My own research shows that in a couple of ways: continuity of Native American residential sites before and after the given date, and continuity of Native American mtDNA before and after the given date.
This same thing, along with a lot of additional evidence, has been noted by archaeologists all over the world.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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