|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Pressie: "the good old sixties"
... the Age of drug-fuelled stupidity and madness. Nothing that idiotic could stand the test of time, but some fools never grew out of it. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith: "Romans 1:22, 23, 25"
Spot on, Faith! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things...Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator... * coughs *
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You say you ignored the Bible and relied on your own conscience to get your morals. If God doesn't exist, then the morality expressed in the Bible is the morality of human beings. How is it possible to prove that your morality is superior to the morality of those human beings whom you think wrote the Bible? Adolf Hitler's conscience told him that it was morally good to murder six millions Jews. You would no doubt disagree and claim that what he did was morally wrong. How is it possible to prove that your code of morality is correct and that his is wrong? In both cases I would point to the fact that my morality is less genocide-y.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
This is typical dreamy sickties drivel that John Lennon came up with after his morning dose of LSD. He never grew out of it - much later he wrote more sicksties drivel called "Imagine".
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Are you telling me that you don't find it strange that a mindless process can produce a mind? Fascinating.
Tangle: "Harming other is wrong." Well, that's just your opinion. Adolf Hitler didn't think it wrong to harm Jews. The Khmer didn't think it wrong to murder millons of their own cirizens. You would consider your opinion superior to some others, but how do you prove it? Tangle: "ToE makes no value judgements" Ok, but implications can be drawn from facts; so if ToE is a fact, implications can be drawn from it. One implication of ToE is that you can choose to ignore any implications that can be drawn from it. ------------------------------- When I first heard the yarn, humans and chimps shared about 93% of their DNA. As the years when by, it went up to 95 ... then 98 ... now it's 98.8%! Maybe we'll get to 100% one day! I also heard that humans share a surprisng percentage of their DNA with bananas and horses. But I digresss. My point is, there is a humungous gap between humans and chimps that DNA fails to explain. Which reminds me, this is off-topic.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
One implication of ToE is that you can choose to ignore any implications that can be drawn from it. Do you think you could try to demonstrate that, or are you just typing words at random?
Which reminds me, this is off-topic. You keep finishing your posts with a declaration that their content is off-topic. Y'know, at that point you have a wonderful opportunity to not deliberately break the forum rules by, y'know, not hitting the "Submit Post" button.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I was hoping you could enlighten me as to how you can prove that your code of morality is any better or more correct than anyone else's code of morality.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You should probably read my posts then.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dr. Adequate: "Do you think youncould demonstrate that ...?"
If naturalistic evolution is a fact, one can draw the implication that human life is meaningless. But if this implication doesn't appeal, then just ignore it and believe that human life has meaning.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I have been reading your posts. How about a brief explanation of how you can prove that your opinions re morality are more valid or more correct than someone else's?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If naturalistic evolution is a fact, one can draw the implication that human life is meaningless. How?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I have been reading your posts. How about a brief explanation of how you can prove that your opinions re morality are more valid or more correct than someone else's? That would depend on what his are.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
|
Dredge writes: Are you telling me that you don't find it strange that a mindless process can produce a mind? Fascinating. Weird how you keep getting what I think wrong. It's almost like you're imposing your own barmy ideas on me. I find it both strange and fascinating. Also quite amazing and sometimes very hard to believe. But having studied it, I can't deny the fact of it. Unlike you, I don't have an irrational belief that forbids it outright.
Well, that's just your opinion. Adolf Hitler didn't think it wrong to harm Jews. The Khmer didn't think it wrong to murder millons of their own cirizens. You would consider your opinion superior to some others, but how do you prove it? I don't have to prove it, we both agree that the actions of pyschopathic criminal lunatics are wrong. We know that some behaviours are objectively better than others. We as a society as a whole have decided that individuals who do harm to others damage all of us if we let them. We have an evolved brain that can work this stuff out and, just as importantly, do something about it - build democratic institutions and criminal justice systems that enforce our views on those that could harm us.
Ok, but implications can be drawn from facts Well that's interesting - you normally deny that sort of thing when it suits you.
One implication of ToE is that you can choose to ignore any implications that can be drawn from it. Well that makes no sense at all.
When I first heard the yarn, humans and chimps shared about 93% of their DNA. As the years when by, it went up to 95 ... then 98 ... now it's 98.8%! Yes, that's the thing about science, it constantly improves its estimates as new information and techniques become available. It's smart.
I also heard that humans share a surprisng percentage of their DNA with bananas and horses. Correct. That's another prediction from the ToE that was proven correct later by molecular genetics. Clever how these things all it together isn't it?
But I digresss. My point is, there is a humungous gap between humans and chimps that DNA fails to explain. How so? The 'gap' is explained by our evolved brain. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
|
Are you telling me that you don't find it strange that a mindless process can produce a mind? That happens often, it takes about nine months. And in general, one doesn't have to be an X to make an X. For example, I can make a cake without being a cake. There is nothing puzzling or paradoxical about that.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024