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Dr Adequate
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Message 383 of 1352 (805905)
04-21-2017 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Faith
04-21-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
You so cleverly miss the point. The Bible is assumed as the premise of a creationist argument for the Flood; that is why I say we shouldn't have to keep asserting our premises.
You said "They can be stated as a conclusion from an argument but too often they are just stated over and over and over and over and over in the place of an argument."
I wanted to see if you could in fact derive your beliefs as the conclusion of an argument. Shall I take that as a no?
So what you're left with, apparently, is "the Bible is right because the Bible is right". And now you wish to be excused from asserting your premise ...
Well since your premise is also your conclusion, that would leave you with nothing to say at all.

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Message 395 of 1352 (805927)
04-21-2017 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by Faith
04-21-2017 1:31 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Well, I'm now taking the position that the Bible is evidence.
For the assertions in the Bible.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 401 of 1352 (805935)
04-21-2017 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 397 by Faith
04-21-2017 1:40 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
What do you get out of your silly disruptive little word games?
No, I meant evidence for the argument t for the Flood of course. You had to make me say that? Why? What are you accomplishing with your little games?
OK, "for the assertions in the Bible about the Flood". If you want to be picky about it.

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Message 438 of 1352 (806070)
04-22-2017 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by Faith
04-22-2017 12:21 PM


Re: Walther's Law shows simultaneous deposition & disproves principle of superposition
He concluded that this shows rapid deposition of the strata disproving the assumption of millions of years ...
It's not an assumption, don't be dishonest. It's a conclusion from the data. I know your religion requires you to think that it's a false conclusion, but to pretend that it's an assumption is false and you know it.
And how would this disprove radiometric dating? That's just bizarre. That's bizarre even for creationists.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 441 of 1352 (806087)
04-22-2017 11:48 PM
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04-22-2017 10:16 PM


Re: Walther's Law shows simultaneous deposition & disproves principle of superposition
If this is the way the Geo Column was deposited, it would disprove radiometric dating. How? By being right and radiometric dating wrong.
You mean if the whole sedimentary record was deposited simultaneously? True, but it obviously wasn't.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 443 of 1352 (806103)
04-23-2017 2:17 AM
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04-23-2017 2:06 AM


Re: Walther's Law shows simultaneous deposition & disproves principle of superposition
The thing is, if Berthault's experiments show the way strata are laid down in rising water then that is no doubt how they were laid down during the rising Flood water, and if that is what happened then the claims of radiometric dating are simply wrong. I don't think all the strata had to be laid down at once, maybe in phases a block of strata at a time, but all of it during the Flood. There is no "obviously wasn't" to this.
It is quite obvious. Look at all the angular unconformities.
You show me a mechanism that lays down all those strata at the same time, then you can talk.

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Message 454 of 1352 (806173)
04-23-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Continental Separation after Flood Confirmed
The fact that people ignore your delusions doesn't actually confirm them. Obviously you're talking shit, obviously we all know it, and obviously people are beginning to think that you're too obdurately stupid to be worth talking to.
If you want a response to each of your posts, let me help you with that. Print this out.
Hang it over your desk, and every time you dribble out some of your fatuous nonsense, look up and read it.

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Message 463 of 1352 (806209)
04-23-2017 7:03 PM
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04-23-2017 5:28 PM


Re: Continental Separation after Flood Confirmed
When losing a debate shout louder.
When I lose a debate I concede gracefully; but we are evidently two very different people.

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Message 464 of 1352 (806210)
04-23-2017 7:05 PM
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04-23-2017 6:04 PM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Out of those six, which do you think is the best, the strongest, the most unanswerable?
Well, see if you can answer the one about the Great Creationist Fossil Failure.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 473 of 1352 (806242)
04-24-2017 2:29 AM
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04-24-2017 1:58 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
I picked number 5 and gave you a link to a thread where it is discussed.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 549 of 1352 (806476)
04-26-2017 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 548 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 12:21 AM


Re: Inch by inchers are having trouble with their inches
You're lying to us about what we think.
Whom do you hope to deceive?

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Message 581 of 1352 (806761)
04-27-2017 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by CRR
04-27-2017 7:57 AM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Archeological and historical evidence has consistently confirmed the Bible is true. That is corroborating real world evidence
Archaeological and historical evidence has consistently confirmed that the bit of the Bible we're discussing in this particular thread is false. If we ever have a thread on "Does Jerusalem exist?" or "Was Augustus Caesar a real person?" then you can talk about how the evidence corroborates the Bible.

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Message 589 of 1352 (807041)
04-30-2017 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 588 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 1:49 PM


Re: Back to the flood that happened...exactly as Genesis stated
Its easy to defeat evolutionists because they have no answers and can not defend their positions because they have never had to defend their positions.
What insane lies you tell. Whom do you hope to deceive?

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Message 726 of 1352 (807925)
05-07-2017 12:36 AM
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05-06-2017 10:32 PM


Re: Speedy Species Surprise
Yes. If you visit Creation | Creation Ministries International you will find that is what YEC's say. If you are surprised at that then you don't really understand our position.
Apart from the YECs who denounce speciation as an evil-utionist lie. It really is necessary to ask each separate YEC what they think and find out what tradition they belong to.
Your post is like we asked if you believed in transubstantiation and you answered "This is what Christians believe, don't you know anything about Christianity?" To which we would reply: "Apparently we know more about it than you, because we know that it is divided into sects with conflicting views, and you do not."
"The rapid appearance today, of new varieties of fish, lizards, and more defies evolutionary expectations but fits perfectly with the Bible."
So, was the person who wrote this lying, ignorant, or insane?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 758 of 1352 (807996)
05-07-2017 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 757 by CRR
05-07-2017 10:09 PM


Re: Fossilised forests
And yet the sediment is volcanic rather than lacustrine or marine.
Yellowstone's petrified forests occur within two thick units of debris and lavas in the lower half of the volcanic material's total thickness within the park. These units consist mainly of volcanic breccias, angular fragments embedded in solidified ash; volcanic conglomerates, rounded pebbles embedded in solidified volcanic sediments; and tuffs, solidified volcanic ash or dust. These are sometimes interrupted by layers of basalt, dark, fine-grained, solidified basic lava; and welded tuffs, hot volcanic ash solidified by heat-welding of grains.
Full text of "Petrified Forests of Yellowstone"
That kind of spoils your ridiculous ad hoc hypothesis.

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