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Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
Dr Adequate
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Message 672 of 1006 (805486)
04-18-2017 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 671 by jar
04-18-2017 7:19 PM


It's an analogy.

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Message 674 of 1006 (805569)
04-19-2017 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 673 by Davidjay
04-19-2017 9:41 AM


Re: Atheists and Evolutionists cant explain 'altruism'..LOVE
Atheists and their cousins evolutionists can not explain altruism, acts of altuism, symbiotic relationships, etc etc...
Of course they can, don't be silly.

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Message 708 of 1006 (805837)
04-21-2017 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 694 by Faith
04-20-2017 3:12 PM


Re: Could you explain your Good Lord remarks
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things...Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...
* coughs *

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Message 709 of 1006 (805838)
04-21-2017 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 680 by Dredge
04-20-2017 1:53 AM


You say you ignored the Bible and relied on your own conscience to get your morals. If God doesn't exist, then the morality expressed in the Bible is the morality of human beings. How is it possible to prove that your morality is superior to the morality of those human beings whom you think wrote the Bible?
Adolf Hitler's conscience told him that it was morally good to murder six millions Jews. You would no doubt disagree and claim that what he did was morally wrong. How is it possible to prove that your code of morality is correct and that his is wrong?
In both cases I would point to the fact that my morality is less genocide-y.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 712 of 1006 (805970)
04-21-2017 9:53 PM
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04-21-2017 9:46 PM


One implication of ToE is that you can choose to ignore any implications that can be drawn from it.
Do you think you could try to demonstrate that, or are you just typing words at random?
Which reminds me, this is off-topic.
You keep finishing your posts with a declaration that their content is off-topic.
Y'know, at that point you have a wonderful opportunity to not deliberately break the forum rules by, y'know, not hitting the "Submit Post" button.

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Message 714 of 1006 (805972)
04-21-2017 10:00 PM
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04-21-2017 9:56 PM


You should probably read my posts then.

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Message 717 of 1006 (805976)
04-21-2017 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by Dredge
04-21-2017 10:05 PM


If naturalistic evolution is a fact, one can draw the implication that human life is meaningless.
How?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 718 of 1006 (805977)
04-21-2017 10:16 PM
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04-21-2017 10:11 PM


I have been reading your posts. How about a brief explanation of how you can prove that your opinions re morality are more valid or more correct than someone else's?
That would depend on what his are.

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Message 720 of 1006 (806019)
04-22-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 711 by Dredge
04-21-2017 9:46 PM


Re: You really need to drop that straw man by now
Are you telling me that you don't find it strange that a mindless process can produce a mind?
That happens often, it takes about nine months.
And in general, one doesn't have to be an X to make an X. For example, I can make a cake without being a cake. There is nothing puzzling or paradoxical about that.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 722 of 1006 (806026)
04-22-2017 10:46 AM
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04-22-2017 9:33 AM


Re: You really need to drop that straw man by now
The word you are groping for is not "obscuring" but "refuting".

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Message 727 of 1006 (806097)
04-23-2017 1:59 AM
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04-23-2017 1:24 AM


Naturalistic evoultion says that all life is the result of a series of mindless accidents. So the series of mindless accidents that resulted in human life has no more significance or meaning than a rock falling down a cliff.
But the question is whether human life has meaning and significance, not whether the sequence of events that produced it does.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 728 of 1006 (806100)
04-23-2017 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 726 by Dredge
04-23-2017 1:27 AM


I can't see how that's relevant ...
You asked me how to show that someone's opinions are incorrect. That would in fact depend on what they are, since there is not one single flaw common to every incorrect opinion.
I can't see how that's relevant; but anyhow, for argument's sake, please consider the following scenario: Mr. Hindu (who lives in India) thinks it grossly immoral to kill a cow and eat it. His neighbour, Mr. Muslim, doesn't think it at all immoral to kill a cow and eat it. How does Mr. Hindu or Mr. Muslim prove that their respective morality is the correct one?
Well, the Muslim could start off by asking "why do you think it's immoral to kill a cow?"

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Message 733 of 1006 (806234)
04-24-2017 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 731 by Dredge
04-24-2017 12:47 AM


If human beings are the result of naturalistic evolution - a series of random accidents - how can they have meaning?
By, y'know, having meaning.
"If zebras are the result of naturalistic evolution - a series of random accidents - how can they have stripes?"
This is an emotional response, not a scientific one.
Do you mean anything by this or is it just the sort of thing you like to say from time to time?

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Message 735 of 1006 (806237)
04-24-2017 12:59 AM
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04-24-2017 12:50 AM


Re: You really need to drop that straw man by now
Er ... yeah ... right. You can make a cake because you have intelligence (but don't let this go to your head - even the village idiot can make a cake). But a cake can't make a cake because a cake has no intelligence.
And a bacterium can make a bacterium without intelligence.
Evolution is as dumb as a cake; it has no intelligence; it is a blind, mindless, unconscious, aimless series of random accidents - yet it supposedly produced creatures who have incredible minds capable of love, imagination, ethics, art, planning, designing, constructing, dreaming, problem solving, inventing, etc, etc.
Yes indeed. Can you think of any objection to this that does not rest on the ludicrously false tacit assumption that a process must have every property in common with its products?
... and atheists like to claim the higher ground over theists when it comes to reason.
And the exhibition you make of yourself on these forums confirms this on a daily basis.

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Message 736 of 1006 (806238)
04-24-2017 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 734 by Dredge
04-24-2017 12:55 AM


Re: You really need to drop that straw man by now
Hitler and the Khmer Rouge had "evolved brains" too, but they worked stuff out a bit differently to you and I.
You know this would also be true if God made them by magic, right? (Or if you can prove otherwise, this would prove the non-existence of God.) So this is not a point about evolution as such.
If humans and chimps share 98.8% of their DNA, you would expect them to much closer in appearance, behaviour, intelligence, etc. So I can only conclude that there is something misleading about the use of this "sharing 98.8% of DNA" argument. If we share 50% (?) of our DNA with bananas, why aren't we a little bit like bananas?
We are much more than a little bit like bananas.

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