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Author Topic:   Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection'
Davidjay 
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Message 1 of 6 (805706)
04-20-2017 9:34 AM


Evolutionists admit their so called mutations all come about at random, but they seem to have deified their natural selction of this so called beneficial mutations with a non random deity called "SELECTION'.

So lets logically and systematically debunk this deity of theirs, after they try to confirm Her or His or Its Godlike Process.

They can try to select a spokesperson, or two or three, who can testify to its godlike qualities, and then lets start the debate.

IHS

David

PS) But lets stick totally to biology and science, and maybe math rather than allowing their religious views to enter IN. Thanks


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 2 of 6 (805859)
04-21-2017 7:57 AM
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You're going to have to say more about why you don't accept selection. Given that breeding exists and works it seems a difficult phenomenon to deny, so the details of your objections need to be made clear.

--Percy
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Message 3 of 6 (805861)
04-21-2017 8:59 AM
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Let the readers decide
But Percy, I got the idea for this thread, when I heard you personnally talking about, Selection' as if its nonrandomness countered the luck randomness of mutations. These being the only two forces supposedly causing evolution in your theory.

So to convince you, would be monumental, and in this case the debate would be for readers to decide rather than an evolutionist to decide. Few evolutionists ever change their mind.

For in a debate BOTH sides put forth their arguments and not just one side. Hence wouldnt you or some other evolutionist have to prove that selection's supposed non randomness does not make it a living thing or an evolutionary 'god' in the minds of evolutionists.

Lets debate it, rather than me convincing you to retract your belief system. Just a proposed good NEW TOPIC.

IHGS

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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04-22-2017 10:53 AM
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Re: Let the readers decide
You're going to have to state your reasons for rejecting selection before I will promote the thread.

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Message 5 of 6 (806044)
04-22-2017 11:52 AM
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Re: Let the readers decide
Evolutionists say selection is NOT at random, although admitting their mutational god is at random and undirected and strictly by luck and chance. This is not debateable, all sides agree mutations can not be forced, and can not be passed on through experiences or conditions of the species or living KIND.

The explanation you gave is that, selection is not random and somehow is the guiding non random selective force that picks out magic mutations or statistially impossible beneficial mutations, that give a species a slightly better chance of survival in an environment.

But you are making an artifical dissection of mutations. You are suggesting that selection is alive and different than beneficial mutations. Firstly beneficial mutations is an unproven wild theory of evolutionists, and never have existed and theres no proof any explosive mutated by chance beneficial anything has ever changed any KIND.

Your beneficial mutation, by its so called change selects itself because by your wild definition and imagination, it gives the qualities for better survival, better lung capacity, better whale spout holes, better speed for chetahs, a better chance of survival.

So consequently beneficial (impossible) mutations select their viability themselves by being the one in a billion mutations that supposedly make it.

Your separate so called no random selective force is wrapped up in your mutational philosophy and theory that one in a billion mutations is 'beneficial' and is more viable than the original.

If you are unable to debate this, so be it.

But me convincing you, to change your mind is hardly going to happen in my opinion, as you are an evolutionist.

But let the readers decide .....

IHBS (IN HIs Biological Service)

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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