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Author Topic:   Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection'
Phat
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Message 12 of 323 (806074)
04-22-2017 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Davidjay
04-22-2017 11:52 AM


Re: Let the readers decide
The cosmic lottery argument comes to mind....personally I agree that there is no such force behind chance. There is no cosmic lottery. I have no problems if science also sees this.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 13 of 323 (806075)
04-22-2017 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Porosity
04-22-2017 2:48 PM


Probability
Probability and chance are two different things. We can prove that probability exists...but I'd like to see the proof

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 64 of 323 (806344)
04-24-2017 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Tangle
04-23-2017 3:23 AM


Re: Probability
The probability of a tossed coin coming up heads is 0.5
The chance of a tossed coin coming up heads is 0.5
The difference being what?
The coin cannot toss itself. If tossed, the probability becomes a mathematical actuality, due to the fact that a force caused the momentum.
Chance implies that the force itself came about by chance.
Probability is always measurable to a concrete degree, while chance is merely
unproven theory.
In summation, chance in and of itself has no power to do anything. It is simply a term...every bit as useless as godidit. Believers ascribe power to God. The same cannot even be hypothesized in regards to chance---in and of itself.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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