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Author Topic:   Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection'
Davidjay 
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Message 46 of 323 (806299)
04-24-2017 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by ringo
04-24-2017 11:43 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
As a good and honest debater I always try to answer questions to further the debate.
Evolutionists complain about losing, and like yourself never seem to add to the debate.
Debate is two sided, not one sided.
You evolutionists have never been athletes or in a fair athletic contest, I have, others have... debate is a contest, a two sided contest where a team who hasnt got a defense like you Evolutionists, have to try and go on the offense. Why because you have no defense.
These types of teams are bluffers and almost always lose, lose, lose.
They are losers.
Creation wins because it has answers, evolutionists lose because they can;t explain their own theory and their own god of Selection.
Your god of Selection sustains life, is what you all are trying to say.
Read past posts, as I had to figure it out rather than you evolutionists explaining your theory.
IT looks like I *** again

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Tangle
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Message 47 of 323 (806306)
04-24-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:
As a good and honest debater I always try to answer questions to further the debate.
Perhaps you could get around to answering mine?
And if you could do it using quotes and without the posturing and preaching it would be great too.

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ringo
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Message 48 of 323 (806308)
04-24-2017 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:
... I always try to answer questions to further the debate.
Then do it. In Message 31 I asked you to, "Explain in detail why genes can't determine the length of a zebra's legs. And then explain in detail why longer legs won't help a zebra run faster."

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Message 49 of 323 (806310)
04-24-2017 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:37 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Evolutionists by their very basic principle of luck and chance can not and will not defend their scientific (religious) belief system. Therefore all they can attempt to do is go on the offensive and blame creation and creationists ideas and laws.
Evolutionists can not debate. This because they are not used to answering questions of their beloved forced beliefs. They have never thought them through. They are sacro-sanct and not to be questioned, so they know not any answers.
Creationists are too fat and stupid to play basketball. I went to the court last night and I racked up 100 points and you didn't even get one basket. You suck at basketball.

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Davidjay 
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Message 50 of 323 (806313)
04-24-2017 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by ringo
04-24-2017 12:06 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Ringo, you were put on my NO REPLY LIST..
But because you wouldnt have seen that post as yet, as I just posted it.
I shall again answer your questions even though evolutionists have no explanations for their theory or religion.
Length of a leg is not a mutation, its a recombination.
Inbreeding of dogs, can produce longer legs in a new breed of dog, but it still remains a dog. They can inbreed short legs, hairy legs, etc etc... DONT YOU KNOW GENETICS, have you never studied anything.
Yes, it brings on recessive genes to the forfront and gives that breed some pretty bad weaknesses, but in a controlled environment these new breeds (NOT new species) can be useful via mans manipulation.
Study inbreeding, as that selection is man made, or via the isolations, laws, etc etc that I already posted. Study darn ya, learn, get some intelligence.
Leg length is not evolution it is recombination or inbreeding etc etc....
Its amazing how evolutionists claim inbreeding is evolutionary mutations.
If a mutation happens or a misread happens, then it almost always dies. Third legs are not needed for a chettah etc to run, no advantage. Mutations are selected out, mutations die, mutations dont reproduce, mutations become recessive at best.
I win again, and answer again, and evolutionists grind their teeth again..... and complain and deny and deny and complain.
Selection is not a god and is not alive and does not sustain life. There are no beneficial mutations.
Sorry Ringo you are on my NO REPLY LIST....
Ask your friends to ask me a question, rather than yourself

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 51 of 323 (806314)
04-24-2017 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Benefical Mutation probability is ZERO
when the probability of a benefical mutation ever taking hold is ZERO in one generation, then in the following generation it's probability is zero as well.
Uh, I was talking about the likelihood of coin tosses landing heads. But thank, Davidjay!
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ringo
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Message 52 of 323 (806317)
04-24-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 12:17 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:
Inbreeding of dogs, can produce longer legs in a new breed of dog, but it still remains a dog.
That isn't the point. The topic is selection so we're talking about how leg length effects selection.
If lions ate dogs, wouldn't they be more likely to eat the dogs that can't run as fast? Aren't they also more likely to eat the zebras that can't run as fast?
So wouldn't the Great Danes be more likely to breed than the dachshunds?
That's selection. The slow dogs (or zebras) are selected out by the lazy lions. The ones that are not selected by the lions go on to make newer, faster dogs (or zebras).
Davidjay writes:
If a mutation happens or a misread happens, then it almost always dies.
And the lions eat it. In your own words, "ALMOST always".
The very few exceptions, one in a million, may produce a faster zebra or a Greater Dane. If not, explain why.

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Davidjay 
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Message 53 of 323 (806318)
04-24-2017 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by ringo
04-24-2017 12:29 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Sorry Ringo, youre on my NO REPLY LIST. Email your fellow evolutionists your questions, and I shall answer if asked in sincerity and if it helps READERS understand the debate.
Thanks for turning out for the team.
ATBITFIYRJ

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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ringo
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Message 54 of 323 (806319)
04-24-2017 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 12:31 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:
Sorry Ringo, youre on my NO REPLY LIST. Email your fellow evolutionists your questions, and I shall answer if asked in sincerity and if it helps READERS understand the debate.
If you don't answer, the READERS will assume you don't know the answer.

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Message 55 of 323 (806320)
04-24-2017 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 9:32 AM


Re: Mutations dont make zebras run faster
Davidjay writes:
Magic mutations wont make a lion or lioness run faster or make a chateeh have the special running capabilities in a very COMPLEX backbone, eye combination that will help it catch prey.
No one is saying that magic mutations will make an animal run faster. We are saying that regular mutations can do that.
If you are claiming that changes in DNA can not cause animals to run faster, then please provide your proof.

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Message 56 of 323 (806321)
04-24-2017 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 11:26 AM


Re: BACK TO THE TOPIC !
Davidjay writes:
Yes, manipulative man made inbreeding, and inbreeding can cause superifical changes (and many negative ones), that even dumb evolutionists think is an example of mutational change.
Which evolutionist thinks that inbreeding is an example of mutation change?
Evolution is a racist doctrine.
There is already a thread on that topic.
Tangle, again color change is not evolution, nor a mutational change of significance, its called VARIATION in colour....as life selects life, and the colour change makes them more hidden than
the other colours (Color is American spelling, colour is British/Canadain spelling)
Why do you think humans and chimps are different from each other?
Do you accept the finding that humans and chimps are different from each other because the DNA sequence of their genomes is different?

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Taq
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Message 57 of 323 (806322)
04-24-2017 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 12:17 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:
Length of a leg is not a mutation, its a recombination.
Recombination of what?
Inbreeding of dogs, can produce longer legs in a new breed of dog, but it still remains a dog. They can inbreed short legs, hairy legs, etc etc... DONT YOU KNOW GENETICS, have you never studied anything.
I know from genetics that there are different alleles for the same gene due to mutations. Breeding through mixing of alleles works because mutations have produced those alleles. Variation wouldn't exist without mutations.
Leg length is not evolution it is recombination or inbreeding etc etc....
I really dont' see how those are mutually exclusive. Why can't evolution work through recombination of existing alleles, or mating between closely related individuals?

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Message 58 of 323 (806323)
04-24-2017 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:
Creation wins because it has answers,
So says the person who can't answer our questions.

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Message 59 of 323 (806325)
04-24-2017 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:26 AM


I only defend my own words, and works and design, ...
Then defend your claim in Message 29 that I refuted in Message 34.
you said:
But of course we know there are no beneficial mutations that have ever existed that lived and created a new species. ...
My response was:
Polyploid mutations create new species. The species live, and therefore natural selection means the mutation is beneficial. QED
This falsifies your claim, and you have not defended it.
Now I expect you will dodge rather than be honest and admit that you were wrong.
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Message 60 of 323 (806326)
04-24-2017 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:26 AM


I only defend my own words, and works and design, what others do is their choice and their belief system.
Well, that explains a lot. You live in your own made up batshit crazy world.
Thanks for clarifying that.
I am not a groupie like evolutionists are, which is why I tell them to try and agree together before posting. This because one states one thing and another states another. It gets rather confusing, probably because they are confused and because its only a theory which gets compounded by more theories of more theories....
I'm not a groupie evolutionist, my beliefs have nothing to do evolution, I understand evolution based on reason and the evidence.
You are the one in fact confused, you have made up your own interpretations of evolution, then attempt to disprove an already bogus claim. You don't even know the proper definition of a scientific theory to even comment on such things.
Hopefully this helps clear things up for you. Get well soon.

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