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Author Topic:   Naked Mole Rats trick of producing oygen- Mutation or Creation ?
Davidjay 
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Message 1 of 5 (806241)
04-24-2017 2:12 AM


Recently the naked mole rat was discovered to have the ability to make its own oxygen. So lets get up to date and discuss how the naked mole rat came up with this so called 'trick' of its, to survive without oxygen for five hours.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...t-able-survive-18-minutes.html

Excerpt..
Cutting off oxygen for most creatures will result in near-instant death.
But scientists have discovered that one animal the naked mole rat is able to survive for up to five hours while starved of oxygen.
The strange-looking creature is able to create oxygen in its own body with a chemical reaction.

(End of excerpt).

Did the mole rat get this ability via mutation while underground in one of the chambers or was the mole rat given this ability via its creation in the Beginning.

Too many topics are old news rather than new news and new discoveries..... lets find the basis of all of biology and understand where traits, abilities, instincts, etc all come from. Were they made by 'Mutation' or 'Creation'.

IHBS

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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The research didn't include genetic analysis seeking an origin of the adaptation, so there's not enough information for an informed discussion. If you'd like to add evidence and argument for special creation to your proposal I could consider the thread from that perspective.

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Message 3 of 5 (806287)
04-24-2017 11:06 AM
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04-24-2017 9:11 AM


Lots of information available, as this trick of mole rats as scientists have mentioned, does involve the basic premise of Both evolutionists and creationists..... It involves, adaptations, instincts, traits, adaption, qualities, gifts, whatever terminology either evolutionists, biologists or creationists use. Its a fundamental, BASIC CONCEPT, that creation or evolution have to have an answer for.

Selah

Instead of bypassing this basic it should be discussed.

Every species or Kind has these qualities that makes them different and viable and alive today. These are the attributes that evolutionists say their mutations have developed or created.
To NOT discuss it would be tragic, for after all these years since evolution theory has been taught, they surely have enough evidence to discuss where, adaptations, instincts, behaviours, traits, characteristics, traits came from, and how genetically they came about.

Genetics is not a new science, but a rather old one and advanced.

Lerts discuss it


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 4 of 5 (806289)
04-24-2017 11:13 AM
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04-24-2017 11:06 AM


Chemical evolution, or backward evolution
Similiarly this discovery of the mole rat's ability to breath using plant chemistry should be discussed because it is NOT so called normal to go from plant to animal evolution BACK to plant chemistry.

This suppose backward evolution via backward genetics should be discussed and explained. Chemical EVOLUTION or BACKWARD evolution should be talked about and considered, rather than avoided.

Do genetic qualities or combinatioins stay in a species after they supposedly advance to a different species, to a different species to a different species.

Do fish retain their qualities even when not displayed after they become birds, or resort back to mammals as with whales living in water... OR is each species given a distinct set of qualities, characteristics, instincts, behaviours, attributes, from which to live in their envirorments.

As scientists we surely should be able to discuss such traits, instincts, behaviors, qualities, etc etc.... without saying there isn;t enough evidence.

The fructose chemistry is known, plant chemistry is known...... lets discuss the chemistry evolution or creation in these mole rats, without fear and with the information we already have as it involves all of LIFE and even all of chemistry, as life processes involve chemistry.

Lets begin


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 5 of 5 (806377)
04-25-2017 9:32 AM
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04-24-2017 11:13 AM


Re: Chemical evolution, or backward evolution
I took this as the key question identifying your topic from your opening post:

Did the mole rat get this ability via mutation while underground in one of the chambers or was the mole rat given this ability via its creation in the Beginning?

There's no genetic research identifying the mole rat adaptation with any particular mutation or set of mutations. There's nothing to discuss.

You also proposed a more general discussion:

lets find the basis of all of biology and understand where traits, abilities, instincts, etc all come from. Were they made by 'Mutation' or 'Creation'.

If you'd like to discuss mutation versus creation then please propose a new thread. Closing this thread down.


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