Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

I gave you other examples to deal with that suggest something other than vegetarianism. I note that you did not deal with those in order to maintain this fake fish rule. Did Jesus also make fake bread when he fed the multitude? What would this signify?

This relates to vegetarianism in what way?

Sigh. And what do you make of Jesus performing a miracle to help them catch living fish? Or can we finally admit that this last feat, performed after those folks met Jesus stomps a mud hole in your vegetarian theory.How about a more direct indication of Jesus eating fish.Luke 24:42-43

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And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

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And he took it, and did eat before them.

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I don't think your statement is completely true. It is true that prophecies that are not understandable before the fact do not have any predictive power. But prediction is not the only function of prophecy. If those prophecies are understandable only after the fact, then they do have confirmation power, allowing us to possibly distinguish a real prophet or Messiah from a fake one. Further, having a prophecy of a future event from a reliable predictor provides a reason to be patient even if the details of the prophecy are not understood.

The idea I'm suggesting is not that hard to grasp.1. The prophecies regarding Jesus are helpful to folks today who are enabled to understand the Jesus did fulfill them.2. After the fact, Jesus was confirmed to be the promised Messiah and the Son of God. On that basis, Jesus own prophecies were sufficient to satisfy his peers who heard them.Neither of the above results require us to understand the prophecies at the time they were issued. It is not of much importance what credit those folk received at the time.

That is not contrary to what I said. I agree that the importance of the prophets both before and after their predictions is a minor idea. The reputation of those prophets invariable comes from sources other than knowing that they are right about future events. In fact many prophets are disbelieved at the time of making their prophecies. The Messiah is way more important than are the prophets who presaged his coming. Confirmation after the fact is useful for establishing that. Jesus then made prophecies himself.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

The text claims that it is the dying that was according to scripture and not the details of the resurrection. After all, the rest of the events described include things that were not predicted in pre New Testament scripture including Jesus appearance to Paul.

I don't think this is a valid argument. Let me provide a mundane example.So philosopher postulates that the laws of physics are invariant in form in all reference frames based on some insight imparted to him during a rheumatic fever dream enhanced by peyote. Folks fail to understand how such a thing can be because the laws of physics do not appear to be invariant in accelerated reference frames or gravitational fields. So they postulate that the original philosopher is predicting an upheaval in nature that changes how things work in accelerated frames.Hundreds of years later some genius works out the theory of general relativity. Turns out that the laws of physics were invariant in form all along and that the original philosopher was correct in ways nobody understood. His fevered inspiration wasn't wrong or non-prophetic just because none of his peers understood him. Instead, his peers were simply wrong.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Given that my example was entirely made up by me, who are you to say what the cause of the fever dream being right might be? As I told the story, the original philosopher somehow acquired an insight akin to the one that Giordano Bruno gained through a mysticism fueled by illness and drug. Since it is my story, and mine alone, I maintain that the insight was not coincidence, but rather the product of the pure genius of an unconstrained mind. What I described was a man who was correct well before his time and who possibly had the same insight Einstein later had without being able to finish the math.Now maybe that is not how things really work, but isn't that what you'd say about any prophecy? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Surely the Bible directly addresses practices of this nature.I'll certainly remember this, and likely bring it up again the next time you make claims about what constitutes good evidence.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Attaching meanings to the positions of planets in the zodiac is astrology. Period.Your initial claim wasn't just about the star the wise men followed, but that the stars contained the story of "the Gospel". I am going to assume that your post here is actually what you meant.ABE:FWIW, I took a university course in NT Bible, and I read about a number of attempts to tie the Star of Bethlehem to various astronomical phenomena (conjunction, super nova, comets) or to date Christ's birth in other ways. The dates ranged about a decade or so on either side of 1 AD. I doubt that any one of those possibilities is much better than any other. The date isn't given in the Bible, so Christians just have to deal with not knowing.Edited by NoNukes, : added by edit.

DavidJay, what shape does the Earth have?

Just like the Bible codes are there too? No, one should not suppose that every bunch of superstitious numerology that one might apply to the Bible yields meaning. In particular, the kind of stuff that the text itself warns against ought to be especially suspect. Okay. Then I am going to recall that you call this stuff that you have not studied all out, evidence...at some time I find convenient. An eclipse lasts only a few minutes, but those can be predicted very closely for decades/centuries in advanced or in the past. I am fully aware of the difficulties involved with making long term predictions. What kind of argument is that. For one thing, I did not say that one should not try. What I suggested was that such tries would not be fruitful.Isaac Newton saw fit to practice alchemy and poked needles behind his own eyes. Why shouldn't anyone else? Lol.

What does the Bible say again about the Moon being in Seventh House? And Jupiter aligning with Mars? Wait, that was the Fifth Dimension. Yes. What would be the point, otherwise? It was a Bible course and not an astronomy course.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

I am being completely fair as well as truthful. I see that the veneer of civility was become worn. Which zodiac signs and planets were included in those references, Faith? A conjunction consists of an aligning of planets in the solar system with other planets or the background of stars. They are as predictable as any other solar system event. They are a bit more rare Predictions over 1000s of years do have some inaccuracies, but predictions over decades or centuries are completely possible. I have done them myself. Really? So I lied? Then who wrote this in Message 399: I am not the liar here. Sigh.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.