Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

Instead of telling me silly lies about what I admit, why don't you try to answer the point?If the Millennium began in 1997, as you claim, then somehow the seven plagues of the seven angels, the worldwide reign of the Beast, and the Second Coming of Christ have all happened without anyone noticing. How come?

Because all prophecy has to be fulfilled, and the Millenium starts with Jacobs Trouble as mentioned by the prophets, and it must coincide with all other prophecies, all as in ALL.All fitting together cohesively just like creation itself. None are conditional, all are set in stone and in writing, numerous numerous places. So lets get it right.... and lets get it exact....as the Great Tribulation starts 3.5 yearsd after the Covenant is signed, and the Covenant dsigning IS the next sign on the road to the End/BEGINNINGSEE DanieltimelineIm not allowed to start a thread on Daniel 9, yet heres the timeline for you, it should take you about an hour to digerst and check out all references and hyperlinks, etc etc..Start Now...Note the start, note the mid point, note the End... the 7 plagues which you do know about and which you obviously have rejected take place during the last 3.5 years of Tribulation, this time is called the GREAT TRIBULATION.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Please try to answer the question.If the Millennium began in 1997, as you claim, then somehow the seven plagues of the seven angels, the worldwide reign of the Beast, and the Second Coming of Christ have all happened without anyone noticing. How come?

Just as every other bright star would do. Again, Jupiter pausing in retrograde just makes it act like a bright star. Do stars hover over the same position?

It has to have appeared to be right over Bethlehem, though, at some period of time, and the orbital stopping point makes the best explanation for that statement in the scripture. Jupiter might not be the star, but in that case it's hard to imagine any other object that would fit the description any better. The Magi were steeped in knowledge of the objects in the sky so the description may be reflecting a short-lived astronomical event that would nevertheless be important in their frame of reference. As Larson points out, nobody else had taken notice of the star, including Herod who had to ask when it appeared, so whatever it was it was something the Magi were in a position to appreciate though others weren't.It would have to have been a natural occurrence and a pausing Jupiter seems to best fit the role. Alternate explanations seem less likely. It would be unlikely for the star to have been a miracle, for instance, since that wouldn't require the Magis' special knowledge to recognize it, and because none of the other celestial events marking Christ's life and death is anything but completely natural (in this study of course). That's what makes this study so exciting, that it's all natural phenomena as shown by a scientifically exact instrument, this Astronomy program called Starry Night that Larson says is used by NASA where precision is of course essential. What I sketched of the events covered in the video shows it's all objective, in Message 440 and Message 444. Your objection to astrology in the context of a Biblical study is understandable but wrong in this case since all the phenomena in the Zodiac are objectively existing phenomena whose traditional meanings just happen to fit the scriptural descriptions and prophecies surrounding Christ's life and death.So I wouldn't expect the star to be anything but a natural occurrence either. The conjunction of Jupiter and Venus would have been very bright -- he says brighter than any other occurrence anyone alive would have seen -- and if that's the star that brought the Magi west it makes sense that even after the conjunction ended Jupiter would continue to be the bright object they'd follow to Bethlehem.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : Sorry, keep hearing the video and finding things to correct

Have you ever gone outside and watched what happens to stars during the course of a night? Do you know what happens during the course of the night when you are watching a planet that is in retrograde?
Do you understand the rotation of the earth?
What would it take for a celestial object to be rooted in one place in the night sky for an extended period of time?
Magic?

Study my first complete answer to you, or get glasses or get some honesty.....As your worldly systems have to be destroyed before the Lord establishes his rule.Jeremiah 1:10 See, I have appointed you today over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and plant."New International Version
See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant."You start with Jacobs Trouble as mentioned, as the Lord has to follow the exact pattern of his prophetic template, and gather his people before they exit, and win again !!!21 years from 1997...1000YearDivisionsCompare 6,000 Years of Man's History4004 B.C.
This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the
number of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son until, a known and recognized date
is found like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation..
SEE Forefathers Timeline Graphics2004 B.C.
In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and His Step of FAITH1004 B.C.
According to I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.4 B.C.
There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE Great Pyramid Prophecy). This
making his death in 30. A.D.1997 A.D.
If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's
Rule, and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's Two End Time Prophets, search for the Lord's Bride in the
'Additional 21 Years' of Service required to obtain these 144,000 Virgin Brides. This ending in 2017, when all of the Lord's
Brides shall be sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE Prophecy Timelines)And so just like the Lord created the world in seven 'Literal Days', so He has made seven thousand years as the timeline before
He gets us into Eternity when there will be no more counting of days. There is six thousand years of man's history, this being
from 4004 B.C. to 1997 A.D. and then the 1,000 year reign of the Lord called the Millenium starts. (SEE Revelation 20:3) This
being exactly what he told his servant Enoch, that went to be with Him and the person He sent to Design the Great Pyramid.
For Enoch wrote ...."And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that the first
seven revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a
time of not-counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours.And now, Enoch, all that I have told you, all that you have understood, all that you have seen of heavenly things, all
that you have seen on earth, and all that I have written in books by my great wisdom, all these things I have devised
and created from the uppermost foundation to the lower and to the end, and there is no counsellor nor inheritor to my
creations. I am self-eternal, not made with hands, and without change.My thought is my counsellor, my wisdom and my word are made, and my eyes observe all things how they stand here
and tremble with terror" (From Book of the secrets of Enoch Chapter 33)In My OpinionDavid Jay JordanBack to Prophecy Timelines

But Jupiter goes retrograde every year. The Wise Men can't have thought that that was particularly significant; if they did they'd have turned up in Judea on an annual basis going "Have you seen the Messiah yet? Oh well, better luck next year." If you think that's exciting, wait 'til I tell you about this thing we've thought up called evolution, it'll blow your mind. All natural phenomena!

Please try to answer the question.If the Millennium began in 1997, as you claim, then somehow the seven plagues of the seven angels, the worldwide reign of the Beast, and the Second Coming of Christ have all happened without anyone noticing. How come?

No Faith, it wasnt Jupiter... it doesnt fit the exact descriptions as in the Bible.It takes time for the wise astronomers to get to Bethlem. They followed the star for a LONG TIME, or lets better state that they followed the bright bright light in the sky before them for a long long time. Thats not a planet or a star.Let me look up Bethleehm Star on my websiteWhoops, a deletion but the topic title remains..SEE Jesus Messiah Mary Herod Star of BethlehemThe Star of Bethlehem was an angel. You knowing the Bible, realise that angels were bright lights and as such could move above the Earths surface and hover over specific areas and specific places.The Star of Bethlehem was definitely an angel.Rather than compromising with them via things easier for them to understand, make sure your interpretation follows the Bible scenario of events. Thanks

Thats spamming DR... and is reportable.Think before you post, study before you post. Spamming is a violation.I already answered you in full previously and confirmed that with Jeremiah 1. Evolutionists can prove nothing, and can answer nothing...stop spamming...or I shall report you.Proveit

You may have replied to my post at length, but I don't see that you answered me in full, or indeed at all.I would settle for a much shorter answer, so long as it was an answer.Let's take this a bit at a time. If, as you say, we are living in the Millennium, then the seven plagues of the seven angels has already happened. Why did no-one notice?

No, absolutely not !You must understand the basic timelineDaniel 9, although I am not allowed to start a thread on it. SEE Proposed New Topics.. or read and STUDY with referencesDanieltimelineThe plaques as I already stated very clearly are in the Great Tribulation Period of 3.5 years.. They are not past and they are not present. The next prophetic signpost is the Mid East War that brings on the COVENANT as stated by Daniel the prophet..Study adequate so as not to be inadequate and wanting.Wait until Covenant is Signed
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Ten Nation SigningThere are many possible timeline scenario’s before the Covenant of Daniel is signed, but there is one thing
for sure. All we have to do is WAIT until the World Wide Covenant signed by ten world powers is signed, for
that is the STARTING POINT of the LAST SEVEN YEARS OF DANIEL.From that date, we can then start counting until the mid point of these LAST 7 YEARS. For it is then that
we have to GATHER before fleeing to Petra, the place where the Lord has prepared for us. For then shall be
GREAT TRIBULATION. The final events, the Second Coming, date of Armegeddonetc. etc. are all very
interesting. But who really cares, we are fighting for our survival to the End in serving the Lord and standing
against the Anti-Christ, so what do we really care if we don’t know the exact day. WE just faithfully keep
serving HIM and fighting for the CAUSE, as we are not in the world, and part of the worldly BEAST system of
economics, politics, and religion. We have been sealed by the Lord, and have not taken the MARK of the
BEAST. WE have been gathered into His Encampment and are not working nine to five, but 24/7 for HIM.So the COVENANT signing date is important to us, as then knowing the basic timeline of Daniel can be
counted out with almost exact certainty. The start of sacrificing before the Third temple will confirm our
timeline, so we have real certainty about the time frames of the Lord and where we are on His TIMELINE of
the END. Now we can speculate, but then we can be so much surer !!!Matter of fact, we don’t have to have prophetic foreknowledge at all for these events, we can literally just
have easy hindsight understanding of what will have happened in current events. FIRST, a ten nation military,
economic, religious Covenant signed by ten world powers, and afterwards seven or eight months, the START
OF SACRIFICING before the THIRD TEMPLE of the JEWS.(SEE TWO EASY HINDSIGHT SIGNPOSTS)WaitfortheCovenantAnswers are deep not shallow, study, use your God given brain. Go beyond one sentence denials, and ten second attention spans.

David, you obviously haven't looked at the video, or thought about what I wrote about it. Using astronomy software this lawyer looked at the sky around the time of Jesus' birth, having investigated the questions of the best date, and found good reasons, which I've spelled out, for Jupiter to be the star, first in conjunction with Venus and then as the Magi traveled to Bethlehem. Larson, the lawyer allowed six months for travel time from Babylon, about 700 miles.You are welcome to have a different opinion, but I believe there's good reason to accept Larson's study over your belief it was an angel.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

According to Larson's study, that wasn't the reason they traveled to Bethlehem; it was the conjunction of Jupiter with Venus, making the brightest celestial object in a lifetime. That would have prompted the trip, but the conjunction would have separated after that, leaving Jupiter for them to follow. Whatever stopping right over Bethlehem means would have been the striking thing, not the stopping because of changing direction as such, and the timing of events would be of major importance. The video starts with celestial events in September and particularly on Rosh Hashana of 3BC, with a triple conjunction of Jupiter with Regulus in Leo, followed by Virgo rising with the sun, with the new moon of Rosh Hashana at her feet, all interestingly related to biblical prophecy; then moves 9 months forward to June of 2BC where the bright Jupiter-Venus conjunction is found, then to Bethlehem six months later with the Magi following Jupiter which stopped over the town on December 25, 2BC.But more interesting I think is his figuring out the date of the crucifixion as April 3, 33AD, in the sign of Aries the Ram of course, and seeing the lunar eclipse begin at the hour of Jesus' death followed by the rising of Virgo the virgin with the blood moon at her feet.All these natural events in relation to scripture IS exciting.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.