Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

Yes, I'm sorry, I didn't really mean you, I was venting about the general gist of the thread.Nevertheless your comments imply that Larson didn't take those things into account. He certainly had in mind, and said, that some phenomena could have happened frequently enough to make any single event suspect so he wasn't ignoring such things.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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The star would not have appeared in the east if it announced the birth of a King of the Jews.

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On what grounds do you make this claim ?

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Observation may not be the key to the stopping of the star, it could have been based on the Magis' own calculations since they had spent their lives at that sort of thing. I think this is an implication, though Larson doesn't say this.

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That is more than a bit dubious. Even assuming that they could get an exact time, how do they get from that to a location ? And why would Matthew describe it in a way that seems to indicate that the star was going ahead of them and stopped at a particular place ?

I don't know, but casting an astrological chart takes both time and place into account, so place figures into the calculations somehow.

What is meant is that it was not a natural phenomenon - because no such natural phenomenon exists.You really should consider the possibility that your god can do miracles.

In other words you can't figure out how Larson's ideas fit with the scripture it is supposed to be explaining. Isn't that a pretty serious deficiency in Larson's argument ? Isn't that precisely what he should be explaining ?Add to this the fact that the evidence still favours a 4BC date of death for Herod (yes, I am familiar with various arguments pro and con)The idea of a particular conjunction specifically indicating the birth of a King of the Jews also seems to be dubious.I would also suggest that defending Larson's video tooth and nail before seeing how it stands up to criticism is unwise. Making excuses for Larson is not a good idea.

And neither does the bible. You don't even know who these guys are, how many there were or where they came from. Nor even when they came.And it's only Matthew (whoever he was) that bothers to mention this important event at all.I dunno Faith, you're prepared to swallow any old bollox if it fits your model, but if we show you hard facts that don't, you find a dozen bizarre reasons why it doesn't work.

Yes he should have taken all that into account.There's so much that is compelling in this video showing how various scripture passages are reflected in the celestial movements, I hate to get all caught up in one point like this.

Perhaps it is time to cite some text.

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Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

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Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

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Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning. Could you clarify where you think the star appeared? Small wonder that he wouldn't say any such thing, but instead is trying to explain how the star stood in one place:

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When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

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There's so much that is compelling in this video showing how various scripture passages are reflected in the celestial movements, I hate to get all caught up in one point like this.

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But that is the central point, is it not ? All his astrology doesn't help explain the Star of Bethlehem as described by the Gospel. If you want to believe that the passage in Matthew 2 is a distorted version of Larson's ideas that is up to you, but I don't think that is what you want to argue for.

Too funny Faith; once again reality shows you are wrong. If the star was seen from the Earth it rose in the East.Sorry Faith but it's simple facts like this that everyone over the age of eight or nine should know that makes it so clear that no honest person could do anything but laugh at such nonsense.

But of course none of it ever happened. The only "evidence" is your book of fables. None of the gospel fables agree on much of anything.

Thanks for continuing not to answer me. Has any star or planet maintained the same position night after night throughout the whole night?

Bullshit. Watching the night sky once completely destroys what he claims.

Please explain or show how a star or planet could rise in the west.

David, you will be pleased to know that I have been assiduously studying your teachings about MATH and GEOMETRY. I notice that back in 2008 you used MATH and GEOMETRY to identify 2012 as the date which would mark the beginning of the reign of the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation.(Your prophecy).So my question, again, is ... why did no-one notice?Also, why does your math so completely reverse the order of events given in the Book of Revelation?