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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Davidjay writes: To find out if someone exists and is a real person, the ultimate test is meeting them.Christians say, they have meet Jesus, Jesus said, He can meet any person who wants to know if he is real. Thats the ultimate test, and once someone has meet someone who exists, they KNOW that person is real. Its not a belief system, a hoping, a faith, but a KNOWING. Scientists usually just believe, a CHRISTIAN KNOWS JESUS is REAL
Then show us a Youtube video of someone meeting Jesus.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
In science, the real world involves what we can not see, because the EMF is real and is proven to be real over and over and over again. Yeah, none of us have disputed this. Gosh, even when no one is doing science they use the Electromagnetic Spectrum, for example listening to radio in the car.
WE know about x rays, radio waves, etc etc etc, inrared waves, below and baove our limited seeing range. YOU don't seem to know much though.....inrared??
Denial by the worldly people who refuse to go beyond to the world of science and spirituality, What?
go beyond to the world of science and spirituality Oh, you mean like Never Never Land.
Real scientists are not afraid of the dark, or the spiritual world. True. finally you said something true......what is the probability? What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Jesus can prove HIMSELF in whatever way He chooses...
(Even to those that mock HIM and are in the process of killing His people, as Paul was doing ******************** Salvation SALVATION Salvation is the way in which the Lord, Our Creator, saves us from our sins and the penalty wedeserve for committing them. For as we all know in our hearts, none of us are perfect. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) And because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23, Isaiah 64:6), we either have to pay with our lives or have somebody replace us, for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. (Hebrews 9:22). This is why Jesus chose to die for us on the cross. (I Corinthians 1:18) some 2000 years ago. He was the Lamb of God (Genesis 22:8, John 1:29) that was sacrificed for the atonement or forgiveness of our sins, IF we accept Him as our Savoiur. We cant pay for it or earn it in any way including trying to obey ten or a thousand commandments. His salvation is a total gift. (Romans 6:23b). We just have to realize that we aren't righteous and never will be, and that only He is good, the LORD is OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. (Jeremiah 23:6). For ONLY with JESUS is there forgiveness of sins, and its only through His free gift of salvation that we can have eternal life, starting now on into eternity. (John 5: 24) If we reject Him, we reject the Father. If we accept Him, we accept the Father. For as Jesus so simplyand eloquently said to Nicodemus, one of the Masters of Israel that knew so little about spiritual things. You must be born again Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into thekingdom of God. That which born of the flesh is flesh, and that which born of the spirit is spirit For God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:1-21) Believing just means drinking in or receiving this truth. For as many as received Him, to them gaveHe the POWER to become the sons of God. (John 1:12). So to receive, you need only to pray or communicate to Him with all your heart, and He will hear you. (Jeremiah 33:3). You can pray in your heart or out loud, alone or in a group, but whichever way you reach out to Jesus, be assured that He will answer you. For He promised that everyone that seeketh findeth, and everyone that asketh shall receive, and everyone that knocketh it shall be opened unto them. (Mathew 7:7) So if you ask Him into your heart in prayer, He shall come into your heart and soul. Revelation 3:20). If you ask for forgiveness, Jesus will forgive you your past sins, present sins and even your future sins.(1John 1:9) For the Lord is good and His MERCY endureth forever. (Psalm 118:1). For if you receive Him, you will have eternal life and hope and a purpose for living. Why not pray NOW for today is the day of SALVATION. (I Corinthians 6:2) Sometimes there are great feelings, sometimes not. Sometimes miraculous things happen right after,sometimes not. But regardless, nothing can change the FACT and absolute certainty, that if you call out to the Lord, He will personally answer you, and He will save you. You will have SALVATION. It is His Promise, for as Jesus said, "I will not leave thee nor forsake thee" (Hebrews 13:5b) He has never lost one of his sheep. (John 6:37). It's law. It is His WORD and He has always kept His Word. (I John 5:11) Jesus loves you !!! The Creator of ALL the Universe loves you !!! In His Service David and Trixie If you received Jesus as your Saviour,please continue on, by receiving His HOLY SPIRIT ****************************** Praying whether eyes open or closed is the best way, you choose, you have the guts to ask HIM IN.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
In other words, you can't answer my evidence disproving the global flood and your "exact" date.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Davidjay writes: Real scientists test out and see if Jesus is real More absurdities from you I see. How can one test Jesus to see if Jesus is real?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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You could use a refractometer and a hydrometer to measure the holy spirit ?
http://www.bellinghamandstanley.com/ltd/abv_kit.htmlCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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How can one test Jesus to see if Jesus is real? You just have to watch The Big Lebowski.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You yourself have to prove things to yourself and stop bowing to the pressures of others, and intimidation, fear of losing your job or friends, etc etc... you have to have the guts to prove Jesus to yourself. ... But why just Jesus? Why not Mohammad, Buddha, Krishna, the Great Spirit, etc. ... ? Why not test every single religion you can with the same dedication to uncovering the truth? There are followers of all other religions that are just as fervent, just as convinced, just as dedicated. Even in different sects within each religion there is disagreement in what individual people believe. Thus the test you propose is neither discriminatory, nor complete, and it cannot be replicated by others with the same results, there is no consensus other than "god/s exist" ... and even that is not testable in a scientific manner.
Go to the source, dont be whimpy and evasive, be a real scientist, and find OUT. Curiously I have searched, my conclusion is quite different from yours. I also reject all prepackaged materials -- if it is truth it is findable without revelations to/by others. True science is repeatable: you can destroy all knowledge and start with a blank slate, and you will find gravity, evolution, the basics of chemistry and physics all over with virtually identical results. Try building your religious beliefs from a blank slate and you will come to some interesting conclusions. At least I did (see signature). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Why Jesus, test Him and find out why he is different.
Believe in Buuda, set up your statues and dont hurt mosquitos etc.... see if it is the truth.. But then again Budda never said what Jesus said. Compare the words, test the words, analyse the words, dig deep, dont be shallow and flippant. Know the difference, Experience the difference... Test everyone of Jesus doctrines and principles and decide. True scientists test Test darn Ya's test, rather than your endless bablle and denials.. Challenge Jesus, if you say He didn;t answer your half hearted plea or prayer or give you any truths, so be it. Dont go by semantics like the evolutionists, dont be a theorists all your life, get in the game and experience, and prove things for yourself. Have some balls or ovaries, and courage enough to test and see.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Davidjay writes:
The best evidence that Jesus is not real is the behaviour of Christians.
Real scientists test out and see if Jesus is real...
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Forget about the followers and trying to blame the followers. GO TO THE SOURCE... Quite looking for excuses, find the author, find the Saviour if there is one, and stop being so hesitant and wary....and immobilized by fear.
You can do it privately, none of the other atheists and evolutionists have to know you prayed or sought the Lord, or asked for guidance or TRUTH, you can save face. No one needs to know, it can be a secret between you and the Lord. You dont have to grandstand or make a show of your answer seeking, just do it secretly and privately. If Jesus doesnt reveal himself to you, so be it. You have the excuse you always wanted, rather than your half hearted complaints, excuses, denials, half truths and so called unanswered questions. Just be honest and go for it.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Believe in Buuda, set up your statues and dont hurt mosquitos etc.... see if it is the truth.. But then again Budda never said what Jesus said. You spelled 'Buddha' two different ways. And both of them wrong.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
RAZD, I would say you haven't proven that truth is only true if it is scientific.
I would say the true implication is this;
Some scientific theories have led to truth because they were testable scientifically bu the ones that are clearly true, can all be directly tested. I think that's all you have shown. However, there is an important difference between the various theories, some scientific tests are more consequential than others and evolution is unable to be put under those tests. For example, exotic air, gravity, germ theory, forces, can be directly tested and they reveal an ENDLESS induction of identical results. They also reveal the same deductions. They can be tested operationally in the present and we can clearly conclude from the same results, that we have found "truth" scientifically. When people fall to the ground, people not falling off the earth at it's other side, etc...all of the direct tests we can do to show there is some force keeping us on earth, can be performed any time we want, to prove to each other those things are true. We can place a rat in a sealed dome and see if it loses consciousness, we can see germs under the microscope. So the problem with your argument is that it seeks to tar all science with the same brush but logically I can prove that macro evolution cannot be directly scientifically tested in an identical way as the aforementioned description. You cannot, in a lab, show a bellows type lung evolve into a contraflow lung or a scale which is actually part of a whole skin, evolve proto-feathers that lead to feathers. You cannot show a prokaryotic cell evolved into a proto-eukaryotic cell, by showing the bacteria migrate into the cell to create the organelle. None of these things are factual, scientifically, they are all claims of the historical claim of macro evolution and cannot be tested directly. You have to believe the, "just so" story together with circumstantial evidence, in order to accept that this happened in history, against the immense sophistication of design in nature as proven by biomimetics. So I believe essentially and I say this without any personal offence meant whatsoever, as I do appreciate you and always have, but essentially your argument is a sweeping generalisation fallacy. That; "because science is known to reveal truth and evolution is science, therefore evolution is true." Secondly, if you argue that "science is the only way to reveal truth," it does not therefore follow that, "if something is true therefore it is science." You have a silent assumption/premise, you haven't stated, which is that, "there is no truth outside of science". That is based on argumentum ad ignorantiam and logical positivism; that because, "we cannot detect certain thing P scientifically, therefore it is not there and is false". Disclaimer: if however you are not really attempting to argue those things, and are not going that far, fair enough, but it seems to me these are the real reasons why evolutionists argue these types of arguments from scientific authority, as a kind of argument from authority. Really all science is, is a representation of modernity. There isn't one magical, uniting method which can give you evolution, really science is just glorified reasoning. Science like evolution was accepted by men, not for scientific reasons because all of those things Darwin argued, are not presently accepted by evolutionists by and large, meaning science accepted evolution predicated on false things such as monera, false things such as natural selection alone resulting in speciation, false concepts such as the simplicity of the cell, and it's assumed plasticity, etc....scientists today accept evolution for more convoluted reasons, but really if we base evolution as a claim on it's original form, it was accepted based on wrong reasons, and now they create reasons to carry on accepting it by creating new reasonings. But why should intelligent people accept the new reasons when they were wrong the first time out? So it's a myth that science is this perfect tool, IMHO.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined:
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One thing I would agree with the evolutionist about, is that evolution scientists are, "real scientists". Yes, evolution is, "real science", in the sense that if it qualifies as a theory being put forward then it can be defined that way.
A "real scientist" is defined by their credentials, so I don't agree that evolutionists aren't real scientists. If they have a phd in a particular scientific field then that is what qualifies a real scientist, logically, because otherwise we could say that, "no real Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." So I don't think we need to disrespect evolution theory and evolutionary scientists, in that strict context.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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mike the wiz writes:
What could be better than a self-correcting tool?
But why should intelligent people accept the new reasons when they were wrong the first time out? So it's a myth that science is this perfect tool, IMHO.
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